Islam Makes More Sense Than Christianity.

[CounslerCoffee]

At least it does to me. While I was reading an article today (Posted on a fundamentilist Christian Website), I came past a little tidbit of information that seemed to make a lot more sense than what the Bible has to offer:

The three crucial Christian doctrines Islam denies are the Trinity, the Incarnation and the Resurrection. Like Judaism, Islam denies Christ's claim to divinity. Allah is one; so how could He be three? Jesus is human; so how could He be divine? “It is unfitting for Allah to have a son,” wrote Mohammed, apparently interpreting sonship biologically.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0009.html

But it doesn't stop right there, with the Trinity thing (Which doesn't make much sense, btw).

Islam rejects characterizing God in any human form or depicting Him as favoring certain individuals or nations on the basis of wealth, power or race. He created the human beings as equals. They may distinguish themselves and get His favor through virtue and piety only.

The concept that God rested in the seventh day of creation, that God wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an envious plotter against mankind, or that God is incarnate in any human being are considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/tawheed/conceptofgod.html

From my point of view the Christian bible can be quite clear on where it stands on this issue. Just take a look at Job (The man that God tormented).

So my question is this: Does Islam make more sense than Christianity? Because it looks like it to me.

 

[Tiassa]

I'll repeat a favorite point of mine:

• Inasmuch as, say, George Bush says, "God is on our side," and Christianity represents our cultural paradigm in any symbolic way, Americans would actually prefer to be Muslims insofar as "turning the other cheek" is not nearly as popular as striking back until aggression ceases.

Superficial, I know. But beyond that, I'll only spend a few words to suggest that if Islam makes more sense than Christianity in the abstract, and from an infidel perspective, it might have something to do with the idea that Muhammad was reflecting on and speculating about the Judeo-Christian tradition. Some of the things he knew, didn't know, or believed are apparently entertaining to the removed, critical eye. But even the old guy from my Lutheran church who happened to be my sixth grade social studies teacher described Islam as "thinking it was an advancement of Christianity." Certain Biblical traditions are the springboard for Muhammad's quest to find God's Word to the Arab people. Certain issues are "resolved" (for lack of better), while the specific nature of Muhammad's knowledge of the Judeo-Christian tradition introduced new questions.

Oh ... and ... I think I'm obliged to say something about these inflammatory comparisons or something. But that's only if I really care to accommodate those who mislike my regard for Islam. And I don't, so I find it an interesting topic. Thanks for the articles.

 

[Jenyar]

It also depends on whether you think God is an simple Being or not. As CS Lewis put it, if Christianity was about something people invented, they would have imagined a concept easier to understand than the Trinity. But those are the ways God has revealed Himself, and we can't simplify them, whether we understand it or not.

Ironically, the objections against Christianity is that it portrays God as too human to be God, and too divine to ever be human. People might be able to decide who any god should or shouldn't be, but it's impossible to categorize One who presents himself as being all in all.

 

[James R]

It's very hard to make a blanket statement to the effect that Islam makes more sense than Christianity. It depends who you ask, and what aspect you ask them about.

I will expect Proud_Muslim to pop into this thread and claim that only Islam makes perfect sense, and Christianity is wrong. He'll probably be followed closely by a Christian who will claim the exact opposite.

 

[Proud_Muslim]

I will expect Proud_Muslim to pop into this thread and claim that only Islam makes perfect sense, and Christianity is wrong. He'll probably be followed closely by a Christian who will claim the exact opposite.

Well, you dont need to be muslim to claim Islam makes perfect sense, you only need to think and use your brain and your logic....you need to ask those thousands of ex-christians, athiests, hindus and jews who are converting to islam every year to find out why Islam really makes perfect sense...and in case you need some references, I will be very happy to post them for you ( I already posted them in other threads in this forum ).

 

[James R]

Thankyou Proud_Muslim.

Now, which Christian will step up to fulfil part 2 of my prediction?

 

[Jenyar]

I guess I don't count?

 

[Jenyar]

I won't pretend Christianity is simple, easy to understand or popular. None of these indicate whether it portrays God accurately or not. To many people, God doesn't make sense anyway, so all religions are equaly on the wrong side of their razor...

 

[Vienna]

Sorry James I'm gonna spoil your prediction.

I was brought up in a Christian world so I favour Christianity - also it is by far the most peaceful faith.

But to be realistic, all the Abrahamic faiths need wiping from the face of this planet then everyone can have a bit of peace

 

[Repo Man]

It's like asking me to take sides in an argument over whether the Earth is the shape of a disc or a cube.

Both are bad, which one is worse depends on where and when in history you are talking about.

 

[everneo]

I imagine, Mohammed and Jesus jumping alternatively with each post. Abraham and his God having tough time to pacify them. Utilizing this contest, Satan is being busy among both groups in the world outside sciforums.

 

[whitewolf]

Mmmm, let us remember the treatment of women in Islamic and Christian cultures and scale the amount of sense on the two sides.... Yup, Christianity sounds safer and more sensible to me.

 

[Greco]

All religions are delusional.

Entry Word: delusion
Function: noun
Text: 1 something accepted as true that is actually false or unreal <people who suffer from delusions of persecution>
Synonyms hallucination, ignis fatuus, illusion, mirage, phantasm
Related Word chicane, chicanery, deception, trickery; cheat, counterfeit, deceit, fake, fraud, humbug, imposture, sham; daydream, dream, fancy, fantasy, figment, vision; apparition, eidolon, ghost, phantom, shade

Whether one illusion makes more sense than another is absurd.

 

[Katazia]

This is like choosing your favorite fairy tale, do you prefer "Snow White" or "Jack and the Beanstalk".

Like fairy tales religions can't be said to make sense outside of the world of fiction.

Kat

 

[otheadp]

who's got the quotes from the qur'an about killing infidels?

i'm sure the bible has logical explanations to why the Divinity, Christ and God are all one.
islamist interpretations and spins are irrelevant

 

[Vienna]

I like Jack and the Beanstalk best Kat

 

[Proud_Muslim]

Mmmm, let us remember the treatment of women in Islamic and Christian cultures and scale the amount of sense on the two sides.... Yup, Christianity sounds safer and more sensible to me.

Oh yeah, Women treatment in christianity:

Jesus considers women as dirt that defiles men (since Jesus, the GOD, is the one who supposedly inspired the New Testament as Christians claim):

Revelation 14:4 "Those are those (men) who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb."

Women are men's glory. The vise versa is not true:

1 Peter 3:5 "For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands,"

Romans 7:2 "For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage."

1 Corinthians 7:13 "And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him."

1 Corinthians 7:15 "But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace."

1 Corinthians 11:7 "A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man."

1 Corinthians 11:8 "For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;"

1 Corinthians 11:9 "neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."

1 Corinthians 11:3 "Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

While there is NO punishment described in the Noble Quran for Muslim women who dont wear the headscarf, the Bible says that Women must dress modestly and cover their heads,Otherwise, their heads must be shaven!

1 Timothy 2:9 "I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,"

1 Corinthians 11:5-10 "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

Christian women were not even allowed to write a book, they were forced to use MEN PEN NAME :

GEORGE ELIOT
Courtesy Harry Ransom Humanities Research Center
Her novel Adam Bede was attacked as the "vile outpourings of a lewd woman's mind" and withdrawn from British circulating libraries in 1859.

And dont let me start about rape punishment in the bible, and oh, the x-rated pornography in the bible as well...but I guess it will be too much...

 

[Vienna]

PM: Times change and the big difference is that Christians have great respect for women today, unlike Islam .

For example there are women preachers in the Church of England, and guess what buddy boy, the head of the Church of England just happens to be a woman - Queen Elizabeth II.

How great does Islam treat its women today?

 

[otheadp]

How great does Islam treat its women today?
well... they don't cut off women's parts of vagina anymore (as much)

 

[Flores]

So my question is this: Does Islam make more sense than Christianity? Because it looks like it to me.

You seem to have a very good set of noodles on your shoulder Coffee. But still the context of your question doesn't serve to offer a productive examination...rather it encourages the sheilds of each faith to be on the defense....and James was very wise to offer us a prediction of what will this thread finally degenerate to......

To make a comparison, is to examine the differences, and I don't think that looking at the differences will serve us any good in understanding the merits of our subject. Our differences are always results of the human touch, our conceptions, ect...Instead of looking at the differences and chasing the wild goose in all different directions, we should concentrate on the BOTTOM LINE.

POINTS OF CONVERSION OF ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY:
1- The Quran never addresses believers as exlusively muslims. Believers in god are not a member of an all inclusive club.
2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALL THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN THE CREATOR AND THE ETERNAL NATURE OF OUR CREATION BELONGS TO THE SAME RELIGION WHICH BELONGS TO GOD.

Fortunately for muslims, the bottom line is clear, despite of the clear efforts to dilute and corrupt the message into a set of rituals, requirements, history recollections, list of sins, ect.... The bottom line of Islams is the oneness of the creator of this universe, which supports the ideology that we were all created equally....that supports that we are all created in freedom..that religion is not a slave of the people to use as they wish...ect...Resting on top of that bottom line, you'll find much turbidity, inconsistencies, opportunities to play god, ect. Most of the muslims these days are no longer holding on to the bottom line, they are instead grabing as much rituals and details as possible from the turbid zone...much like christianity has been diluted and secularized, Islam is headed down the same way.

In my view, Christians, at least most of them, lack the bottom line. They have became compilers instead of thinkers. Influenced heavily by Catholic believes in a trinity, and confused by a bible composed of unrelated information written over long period of time, lost, corrupted, mistranslated, ect...they have tried so hard to make sense out of all this unrelated mush of information....thus Jenyar's position when he says....If my religion was created by man it would make more sense, but it doesn't make sense because I don't understand it, yet he still believes in it????

The Quran asks an incredibly important question that noone seems to want to address.

[2.113] And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.

Coffee, It's not about following a sect or religion, it's about leading yourself throught life best you can being grounded by the notion that you are created and eternal. If you want to follow people to gain their acceptance or please them, then you are following conjecture...and you'll be stuck in a loop of doubt....with no understanding to support your position, only endless rationalizations.
[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.