Medicine Woman said:The longer I live, the more I hate Christians. All Christians are worthy of death.
The longer I live, the more I hate Muslims. All Muslims are worthy of death.
Whats good for the goose.......or
Free speech rocks......
Medicine Woman said:The longer I live, the more I hate Christians. All Christians are worthy of death.
Those killed were Tali Khotel, 34 — who was eight months pregnant — and her four daughters, ages two to 11, settlers said.
The resistance committees said the "heroic" attack was retaliation for Israel's recent assassinations of Hamas founder, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, and his successor, Abdel Aziz Rantisi.
Crunchy Cat said:Another fine example of Islam denouncing teerorism
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians&cid=540&ncid=716
Apparently killing pregnant women, children, and babies is considered
heroic.
ddovala said:First of all - Islam is not an evil religeon: it follows the same principles as every other mainstream religeon, that is, peace, forgiveness, and morality. However, the reason Islam gets such a bad rap is because there are islamic states (countries that pound religion into their laws and lifestyles).
No country that does not seperate church and state explicately is doomed to fail. This is because the only people that gain power in these countries are the fundamentalists.
I am, however, curious as to the validity of Islam not taking steps to prevent such terrorism, any thoughts PM?
Proud_Muslim said:How pathetic !! you cry loud like RAPED APES when some illegal jewish SETTLERS and THIEVES killed but you dont utter a single word when dozens of Palestineans are KILLED everyday by the barbaric Israeli jews !!!
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY:
http://www.koshertaxscam.com/atroc
Though security was intensified for the vote, Palestinian gunmen in Gaza killed a pregnant settler and her four young daughters as they headed into Israel to campaign against Sharon's plan. It was the deadliest attack on Gaza settlers in two years.
Israel retaliated with an airstrike on a Gaza radio station affiliated with the militant Hamas group, lightly injuring seven Palestinians in the 14-story building, and with another strike on a car full of militants in the West Bank city of Nablus.
Crunchy Cat said:That's not much of a differnet side to the story:
Lets see here. Islamic representatives practice terrorism by murdering their
formidable enemies (1 pregnant women, 4 girls + babies). Israel attacks the
group claiming ownership of the terrorism. Islam calls the terrorism heroic.
Israel calls the terrorism an obstacle to peace.
ddovala said:That doesnt sound like you're against terrorism, only terrorism against muslims.
And you mention the Jewish terrorists but forget to mention the muslim terrorists going into Israel. The way you group all the Jews under the banner of terrorism (and the same with Americans) makes you seem like you are the same as everyone you hate, someone who groups everyone in a relgeon and holds them to a steriotype.
Furthermore, I would try not to get in the sexual abuse argument here for many muslim states have Rape as a punishment for crimes.
Look at all the rape chambers the "american terrorists" put an end too. Yeah, that sounds like terror against the people alright.
Finally, I am fairly new to these threads and do not know much about everyone's views and personalities. I simply try to provide an unbiast argument.
However, PM, you seem to think that Islam is completely without fault and the pure image of a perfect society.
this is obviously not true (look at current events) and while you say muslims do not condone the actions of terrorists, and they might, you seem to be ok with it.
"There is no justification for killing innocent civilians BUT when Muslims are killed, westerners will get killed". You have a double standard here. If what you initially state is true (and I know most Muslims do not condone terrorism)
then you apparently dont represent most Muslims, in which case we cant take any of your views with any credibility. I would consider changing your title to something other than "Shield of Islam" because all you are doing is spreading the steriotype of Islamic fanaticism that the world should try to get rid of.
Conclusion: I can see you are well educated but i'm purely appalled at your views about how its ok for Muslim terrorists to kill westerners, but not vice versa. It is not ok on EITHER side,
Proud_Muslim said:How about this ???
http://www.alkhilafah.info/massacres/palestine/jenin.htm
What a load of BULLSHIT !! Israel is terrorist nazi state, Israel is in violation of more than 80 UN resolutions, imprison 9000 palestineans as political prisoners and in grave violation of all international treaties regarding treating civilians under occupation, perhpas the UNITED NATION report on ISRAELI TERRORISM will help:
The Commission on Human Rights this morning adopted by roll-call vote three resolutions on human rights in the occupied Syrian Golan, Israeli settlements in the occupied Arab territories, and the violation of human rights in the occupied Arab territories, including Palestine.
http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/view01/400428B523407689C1256E770057784B?opendocument
ENJOY !
Proud_Muslim said:I said killing innocent civilians is wrong, but as long as Muslims are killed, westerners will get killed, it is just common sense.
Crunchy Cat said:IMO, the attack on Jenin was a blantant act of war. The following link is an
example of an Israeli testimony which basically says 'we fucked up bad'
in response to the attack on Jenin:
I rather think the original point was missed. Both the Islamic and Israeli culture make big mistakes. Only one of these cultures considers the mistakes heroic. How can Islam denounce terrorism when the very act is considered herioc? This is a contradiction.
DoctorNO said:PM, In your honest opinion:
Muslims who die killing civilian Isrealis would go to heaven or hell?
Israelis who die killing civilian Palestinians would go to heaven or hell?
ddovala said:And those people are going to prison, and courtmarshalled. This is a message to the military that it is NOT tollerated. However, the rape chambers and so forth in Iraq (and probably in other muslim countries as well) were run by the government and nobody put a stop to them (save our cruise missiles).
First of all, your second statement is disproven by the first. And second of all, i can use the same logic and say "All muslims are bad until the good ones stand up to the bad ones". Using your logic everyone is the devil. Of course you'll come back and say "islam is perfect, so am I, yadda yadda yadda".
Ok, points for that (it made me laugh). A perfect religion wouldnt be able to be inturpretted as it is today by many terrorists. A perfect religion wouldnt be able to be used to justify the slaughter of innocent people who dont agree with it.
My point of asking is that you say that "if mulims get killed, westerners get killed". FIRST of all, muslims and westerners are not mutually exclusive. America has many muslims as citizens. SECOND of all, using your SAME logic, i can easily say 'as long as westerners are killed, muslims will be killed'. Its appalling, and thats my point, your logic is appalling.
Yes, we Americans are the ones strapping bombs to ourselves, running into crowded marketplaces and blowing ourselves up. You even seem to forget the Americans who came to Iraq to try and stop the bombing. I guess they were terrorists too. Everyone 'cept a muslim is a terrorist according to you.
Proud_Muslim said:what a load of BULLSHIT !! what war you are talking about ?? war involved 2 armies you retard !! the palestineans have NOTHING comparing with the nazi jews who are occupying palestine.
ACT OF WAR - any act occurring in the course of declared war; armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or armed conflict between military forces of any origin. 18 U.S.C.
Proud_Muslim said:How pathetic !! Ariel sharon, the current Israeli PRIME MINISTER himself is WAR CRIMINAL according to his own kenset, and yet the Israeli public rewarded him for his crimes against the arabs by making him prime minister ! and you are talking about Muslims and terrorism ? hypocrite !
http://www.indictsharon.net
On 6 June 1982, the Israeli army invaded Lebanon in what it described as 'retaliation' for the attempted assassination of Israeli Ambassador Argov in London on 4 June.
Around mid-day on Thursday 16 September 1982, a unit of approximately 150 Israeli-allied Phalangists entered the first camp. For the next 40 hours members of the Phalangist militia raped, killed, and injured a large number of unarmed civilians, mostly children, women and elderly people inside the encircled and sealed camps. The estimate of victims varies between 700 (the official Israeli figure) to 3,500. The victims and survivors of the massacres have never been deemed entitled to a formal investigation of the tragedy, since Israel's Kahan Commission did not have a judicial mandate and was not backed up by legal force.
ddovala said:PM, did you just say Nazi Jews? Damn... you need to read a book on WW2 and the hollocaust and think about that a little.
As for this debate, it appears Proud_Muslim's arrogance and ignorance make him immune to all forms of logic and common sense.
If the US wanted to kill civilians the entire middle east would be one giant plate of glass, personally i think that would be just fine. 90% of the fanatic terrorists come form this hell hole of the earth.