Islam: A Revolution Within

[S.A.M.]

When you're pulling this irrelevant, nonsensical garbage out of your ass, it's clear you're finished. Every Turk has a right to voice their opinion on Turkish matters - this is not a right exclusive to one group. .

I'm trying to figure out the source for religious education in Turkey.

Yeah, and every Turk is wealthy enough to get a good education.

Your madrassas are for the poor - ours are established because we're all lunatics and fundies. Gotcha

Yes, madrassas in India are generally for the poor. People who can afford to send children away to school do not send them to madrassas.

 

[Kadark]

The rest of us?

You mean weak willed Muslim wiggaz like yourself, who can't submit fast enough to Uncle Sam.

Yeah, so true. Tell that to the millions of black Muslims worldwide, you racist punk. You're a fucking joke.

 

[Kadark]

I'm trying to figure out the source for religious education in Turkey.

It's simply religious knowledge - not indoctrination. Cold hard facts. It's more along the lines of history, actually. There's no preaching or decrediting - simply teaching.

Yes, madrassas in India are generally for the poor. People who can afford to send children away to school do not send them to madrassas.

And we do? My God, you're dense.

 

[Michael]

I went drinking/pool and then karaoke with an Aussie guy and his Turkish wife and I've met many other Turkish people and they seem just like European. Except the Kurdish Turkish - they have a bit of chip on their shoulder. That said, Kurdish kebab taste better Also, Turkish people reallY really need to stop using whatever salami they are using on their pizzas and use Italian hot pepperoni. PLEASE all Turkish people just do me that one favor!

 

[Kadark]

I went drinking/pool and then karaoke with an Aussie guy and his Turkish wife and I've met many other Turkish people and they seem just like European. Except the Kurdish Turkish - they have a bit of chip on their shoulder. That said, Kurdish kebab taste better Also, Turkish people reallY really need to stop using whatever salami they are using on their pizzas and use Italian hot pepperoni. PLEASE all Turkish people just do me that one favor!

Uh, Mike, most Turks are Muslim. Pepperoni is out of the question!

 

[USS Exeter]

Turkey has a strong separation of religion and government. I applaud them for being so progressive. In fact, they have exceeded the US in separation standards of religion and state. An Islam radicalist who somehow made it as leader would not be able to install some of his twisted interpretations of the Quran in Turkey's government.

 

[Kadark]

Turkey has a strong separation of religion and government. I applaud them for being so progressive. In fact, they have exceeded the US in separation standards of religion and state. An Islam radicalist who somehow made it as leader would not be able to install some of his twisted interpretations of the Quran in Turkey's government.

Turkey's military operates as the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the country. If the country is getting out of hand (from the public's actions, or from incompetent leaders), the military can (and has) intervene. Our government can't get away with much.

 

[DeepThought]

Yeah, so true. Tell that to the millions of black Muslims worldwide, you racist punk. You're a fucking joke.

Your not black, Turkman.

Hence, your the joke here.

But I can understand how a weak minded Muslim, ashamed of his own people's poverty, ends up committing shirk.

Now, run along to your Christian masters.

 

[Kadark]

Your not black, Turkman.

Hence, your the joke here.

"You're", my friend, "you're". Not "your".

Tsk.

But I can understand how a weak minded Muslim, ashamed of his own people's poverty, ends up committing shirk.

Now, run along to your Christian masters.

I'm not going to turn this into anything serious. If you wanna go for that, my PM is always open.

Although, I usually don't pay much attention to racist forum-dwellers.

Who knows, though...there's a first time for everything.

 

[Michael]

Uh, Mike, most Turks are Muslim. Pepperoni is out of the question!

Pepperoni is pork?? Haaa! I didn't know - well that explains it!

OK, please, Turkish Islam reformers just do me this one favor instead - STOP banning the consumption of pork! I'm sure pepperoni (or even better - prosciutto) pizza will soon follow

 

[Michael]

Your not black, Turkman.

Hence, your the joke here.

But I can understand how a weak minded Muslim, ashamed of his own people's poverty, ends up committing shirk.

Now, run along to your Christian masters.

Aaahhhh where the hell did that come from?:bugeye:

 

[iceaura]

Turkey sometimes produces good news (debates between reasonable people), sometimes not so good (massacres of Kurds, etc), but as far as science and Islam the recent stories seem to resemble these:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15857761/

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/11/not_in_kansas_anymore.php

And the more encouraging sound like this: http://saif_w.tripod.com/curious/evolution/muz/muz-part3.html

 

[Kadark]

iceaura:

Massacres of Kurds? Hah! If we wanted the Kurds to be massacred, we wouldn't have provided them refuge from Saddam when he was clearing them out. We would simply have told them to remain in Iraq. The issue is much more complicated than that. I posted about it recently in a thread by WildBlueYonder, if you'd like to see it.

Anyway, evolution is taught in Turkey. I may not like it, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[Kadark]

Pepperoni is pork?? Haaa! I didn't know - well that explains it!

OK, please, Turkish Islam reformers just do me this one favor instead - STOP banning the consumption of pork! I'm sure pepperoni (or even better - prosciutto) pizza will soon follow

Pork isn't banned in Turkey. People simply choose not to sell/buy it. Not exactly a "profitable" place to sell pork (98% Muslim).

 

[Michael]

you poor poor fools

pork = yum

 

[S.A.M.]

pork = ease of transmission of hybridized viruses.

and one in six people with trichinosis.

 

[Bells]

pork = ease of transmission of hybridized viruses.

and one in six people with trichinosis.

I'm meant to be having bacon with pasta for dinner tonight. Stop putting me off my food!:bawl:

The rest of us?

You mean weak willed Muslim wiggaz like yourself, who can't submit fast enough to Uncle Sam.

Your not black, Turkman.

Hence, your the joke here.

But I can understand how a weak minded Muslim, ashamed of his own people's poverty, ends up committing shirk.

Now, run along to your Christian masters.

I don't even want know where all this came from, but take your racism elsewhere.

 

[S.A.M.]

I'm meant to be having bacon with pasta for dinner tonight. Stop putting me off my food!:bawl:

Oh well, if it makes you feel better

beef = prion disease
goat, lamb, sheep = foot and mouth disease
chicken, turkey = bird flu
fish, shell fish = mercury, salmonella poisoning

 

[Asguard]

Dont worry bells, those disease arnt present in australian meat

Except some mercury and as for salmonella you should be safe as long as you treat all your meat carefully

 

[iceaura]

and one in six people with trichinosis

In the US, closer to one in six million.

In the US, undercooked bear or raccoon meat - say from bear sausage - is about as likely a cause as pig. That's because pigs don't eat garbage off he streets in the US.

Odd circumstance: they say freezing bear meat does not kill the parasite, unlike freezing pork.

Depending on how you raise them, pigs are pretty clean - certainly as clean as chickens, under reasonable farm conditions. How someone can turn up their nose at pork, but eat chicken, is a mystery to me.

Marvin Harris puts the no pork rule in the category of economic regulations benefitting the poor in certain areas - subsistence farming areas where pigs compete with humans for scarce food. So in Ireland, where pigs (in the old days) can be raised on garden waste and fish guts and scraps and stover and the like, pigs were great; in central Scotland and Lebanon where pigs must be fed human edible grains, pigs were forbidden. It's so the rich cannot enjoy a luxury that literally starves the the poor, he thinks.

An example of the kind of benefit peculiar to religion, in ordering a decent society ( the free market, say, wouldn't ban pigs for the rich ).