Agnostically speaking, what`s reality in being an agnostic outside gnosticism if you`re agnostic?Horseman42 said:I do not believe in god.
The reason for this belief is that there is no evidence for such a thing. God may exist but I have never encountered any proof of god's existance that wasn't illogical, irrational, or unreasonable. Take for example the "proof" provided by enton...
This is not proof of anything only naked assertions. How do you know happiness was born from sadness? Where is the proof of that? The whole paragraph is sloppy, misguided logic right from the very beginning.
Horseman42 said:How do you know happiness was born from sadness?
enton said:Happiness was born before sadness.
So are you happy now that you`ve got a positive answers of my questions?geeser said:enton: yes, objective evidence have you got some, please show it.
and to "Do you have a mind/feelings what`s your proof?" yes = chemicals, chemical reactions.
regarding love
http://www.cyberparent.com/love/love-being-in-love-1.htm
and regarding consciousness.
http://www.trufax.org/catalog/m3v1.html
horseman 42: is not making an assertion you are, the onus of proof is on you.
I'm not agnostic I am an atheist. Just because you can never 100% prove something does not exist does not mean that it does. What we have to do is evaluate the evidence and if it fails then we have to be atheistic towards whatever it is we were evaluating. Everyone does this, including Christians (assuming you are one). Otherwise there's nothing to stop you from having to acknowledge Thor, Zeus or Krishna may therefore also exist.Agnostically speaking, what`s reality in being an agnostic outside gnosticism if you`re agnostic?
Well if you were to ask me what proof is there that I have feelings, I would say unless you're willing to embrace solipisism.So you`re requiring an objective evidence?
Okay, let me ask you this way: Do you have a mind/feelings? If yes, what`s your proof? If no, what`s your proof?
What answers?So are you happy now that you`ve got a positive answers of my questions?
No idea what you're saying here. Please prove that before space, time and energy there is god. Also you may want to specify which god and why that one while you're at it.If there is there, then nothingness is nothing. Mythical nothingness is such an assumption. Before space, time and energy is God.
More assumptions, that have no relivence to our discussion.Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Yeah you need to continue. More apropriately you need to start. All you have is some assertions, and some faulty logic.So, do I have to continue to show that there is God?
I did'nt get, I gave a positive answer to your question, I quote "Do you have a mind/feelings what`s your proof?" yes = chemicals, chemical reactions.enton said:So are you happy now that you`ve got a positive answers of my questions?
no the likeliness of there being nothing, is more reasonable than to say a god did it, that infantile.enton said:If there is there, then nothingness is nothing. Mythical nothingness is such an assumption.
sorry has no relevance, bible just a book.enton said:Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
yes, do start, still waiting.enton said:So, do I have to continue to show that there is God?
You god it! Perfectgeeser said:god for you
NKJV 2 kings 2:23: And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24: And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
25: And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.
a look what happens to children when they call a prophet, baldy.
the more I read from religion, sadder I feel for those poor sheepeople.
we are still waiting for you to start post some questions.enton said:So are you happy now that you`ve got a positive answers of my questions?
Don`t worry my dear. Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. (from Jeremiah 6:16 KJV of the Bible)geeser said:we are still waiting for you to start post some questions.
STILL WAITING.
why are you so persistent, in quoting scripture I've already told you I dont believe the bible, it is infantile for you to keep doing it.enton said:Don`t worry my dear. SCRIPTURE OMITED AS IRRELEVANT.
OK I've already told you I dO believe in the bible. And I have a question. This is not only for you but for all:geeser said:why are you so persistent, in quoting scripture I've already told you I dont believe the bible, it is infantile for you to keep doing it.
you are supposed to be posting some questions, and we are "STILL WAITING".
enton said:With this thread I hope you will all consider all possible and impossible expressed and implicit thoughts and opinions, subjective or objective. Prove to yourselves whether there is God or none at all. If you are doubtful, show your doubt, If you try to deceive others, show your deceit. If you are conceited with your self-belief, go on and show what you have had.
For me, I stand that there is God, a Supreme Being, who is responsible for the existence of existence. Why? This is the proof. Happiness was born before sadness. Because God is delighted in the presence of His Son, He created human beings for the delight of His Son. But disobedience arose in the heavenly host, Lucifer exalted himself. This Lucifer, an angel, became the Satan (the adversary of all truths). Now, if you question why God made this all, sorry, I have no authority to answer you. Or you may rephrase the question: why are we all here on earth, and for what purpose?
Hey, did I say I have the gift for proselytizing?water said:Enton, are you sure you have the gift for proselytizing?
It doesn't look that way to me.
enton said:Hey, did I say I have the gift for proselytizing?
by gods people, do you mean the jews?, and how could they know the chemical make up of water, if they had a microscope would they have drank it?, all they needed to know was it's was life giving, what's you point.enton said:First question: Did God`s people know that water is H2O biblically speaking?
I was referring to the people in the Bible, particularly the Hebrews.geeser said:by gods people, do you mean the jews?, and how could they know the chemical make up of water, if they had a microscope would they have drank it?, all they needed to know was it's was life giving, what's you point.
if you going to say something make it clear.