Is the earth expanding?

BTW, What I am saying explains the expansion of the "universe." What I am saying explains where the planets came from, and even how the outer planets came to be, and why they are gas giants. What I say explains the moon moving away from the earth, and the earth moving away from the sun. What I say explains fire, water evaporation, decay, erosion, and basically every physical process known to man. Mass evolves to space! If it didn't we wouldn't be here.
 
...and just to let you know, a universe that is expanding, all the while retaining the same mass, means that the universe is getting less dense over time. So if you think the universe is expanding, you also agree it is getting less dense over time. Furthermore, if you agree the universe is expanding, then you must explain how the volume of the universe can be increasing and at the same time the components of the universe are maintaining their original densities? Certainly you understand that if the universe is growing in volume that the components too must be growing in volume (getting less dense). Otherwise, how do you explain the resistance of the components to get larger in volume? What mechanism do you think resists that expansion?
 
Motor Daddy said:
Are you so blind that you can't see it? What I say is in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics. What you say is rubbish!

You say you can create a log from space. I say BS, that you can turn a log into space, but you can't turn space into a log! The natural progression of a log is for it to become less dense, by means of rotting away or by burning. You seem to imply the opposite, that the log was somehow magically created by a special blend of matter getting more dense. BS! Mass gets less dense over time! Mass evolves to space!
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But look at the log. For a while it is a very hefty object, and so will be Black Holes. For a while they will grow heavy like a log but once it has run its life it will eventually evaporate as Hawking worked out.
So I tend to think you are looking at the picture of the spinning galaxy and see matter being thrown outward when in actual fact it is all being gravitationally drawn together.
You might be right in the long run but gravity is doing its thing first.
 
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Robittybob1 said:
But look at the log. For a while it is a very hefty object, and so will be Black Holes. For a while they will grow heavy like a log but once it has run its life it will eventually evaporate as Hawking worked out.
So I tend to think your are looking at the picture of the spinning galaxy and see matter being thrown outward when in actual fact it is all being gravitationally drawn together.
You might be right in the long run but gravity is doing its thing first.
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Black holes do not grow in mass, they grow in volume. They are objects themselves that have departed their cores and are getting less dense over time. At no time in the past was a black hole less massive, just like at no time in the past was our sun less massive. In the past a black hole was more dense (same mass) with a smaller volume. They have since expanded.
 
Motor Daddy said:
BTW, What I am saying explains the expansion of the "universe."
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Nope. You haven't explained anything. You have made silly statements based on ignorance.

What I am saying explains where the planets came from
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Nope

, and even how the outer planets came to be,
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Nope
why they are gas giants.
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Nope

What I say explains the moon moving away from the earth,
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Nope

and the earth moving away from the sun.
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Nope

What I say explains fire,
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Nope

water evaporation,
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Nope

decay,
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Nope

erosion,
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Nope

and basically every physical process known to man.
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Nope


Mass evolves to space!
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Nope

If it didn't we wouldn't be here.
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Nope

Well at least you are consistent.;)
 
Motor Daddy said:
Black holes do not grow in mass, they grow in volume. They are objects themselves that have departed their cores and are getting less dense over time. At no time in the past was a black hole less massive, just like at no time in the past was our sun less massive. In the past a black hole was more dense (same mass) with a smaller volume. They have since expanded.
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Why do you believe this?:)
 
Motor Daddy said:
Because the second law of thermodynamics has never been wrong, and I am in compliance with the second law, like every physical process known to man. The second law loves this concept. It IS the second law in reality!
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Nope.

Just for fun, could you explain what you think the second law of thermodynamics says and why that means that matter is converted into space.
 
origin said:
Nope.

Just for fun, could you explain what you think the second law of thermodynamics says and why that means that matter is converted into space.
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Sure. I've quoted the opening statement of the Wiki article for you. You would be better served to read the entire article for yourself. I have no inkling to re-invent the wheel. I couldn't say it better myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the tendency that over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and chemical potential equilibrate in an isolated physical system. From the state of thermodynamic equilibrium, the law deduced the principle of the increase of entropy and explains the phenomenon of irreversibility in nature. The second law declares the impossibility of machines that generate usable energy from the abundant internal energy of nature by processes called perpetual motion of the second kind.
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A quote worthy of note from the link:

The law that entropy always increases holds, I think, the supreme position among the laws of Nature. If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations — then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation — well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation.
—Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1927)
 
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Motor Daddy said:
Because the second law of thermodynamics has never been wrong, and I am in compliance with the second law, like every physical process known to man. The second law loves this concept. It IS the second law in reality!
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Plenty about the 2nd law on Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
Quotes
"The law that entropy always increases holds, I think, the supreme position among the laws of Nature. If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations — then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation — well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation."
—Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1927)
The tendency for entropy to increase in isolated systems is expressed in the second law of thermodynamics — perhaps the most pessimistic and amoral formulation in all human thought.
—Gregory Hill and Kerry Thornley, Principia Discordia (1965)
There are almost as many formulations of the second law as there have been discussions of it.
—Philosopher / Physicist P.W. Bridgman, (1941)
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origin said:
Nope.

Just for fun, could you explain what you think the second law of thermodynamics says and why that means that matter is converted into space.
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Matter => is Energy
Heat => is Energy => Matter
Heat is lost to space => Matter is lost to space.

But nothing stops normal science working alongside this.
So I still think Black Holes get more massive till one day they run out of matter to accumulate then the process of "matter evolving to space" takes over as dominant process and in time even a Black Hole will evaporate away to nothing.
 
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