Is the earth expanding?

[HEXiT]

i think you made a mistake as you seem to be applying Einsteins laws to quantum mechanics but the 2 laws are mutually exclusive and do not mix. string theory goes some way to unifying them but as in itself is not fully understood.
so i would stick by my original assumption.
decay as in as in radio active decay as everything in the universe as far as we know has a halflife so eventually and i mean 10's of hundreds of billions of years the universe will decay into a cold dead place with nothing in it but the odd random particles.

in areas of space that have high matter density the forces that may well slow the expansion but i cant see it being completely stopped. it may slow it down as that part of the universe is creating suns, planets and galaxies but as i say even they will decay and burn out eventually. the and the forces and energies associated with them will dissipate as well. so although there may be a 200lys boundary which is slowing the expansion it wont be able to slow it for ever and every second that boundary will get smaller as the point it surrounds radiates its energy into the rest of the universe.

 

[Robittybob1]

Interesting to see the planet Kepler 22b looks like a planet like Early earth under compression. 13.8 times as voluminous as the Earth currently is.
Another win for the Compressed Earth advacates.

 

[Gneiss2011]

Thanks to sathearn, another question to florian.

If I understand correctly, you claim that doi:10.1029/2011GL047450 http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2011GL047450.shtml is not an evidence against EE (expanding Earth theory) because it use a PT (plate tectonic theory) model. Your "observation" and "measurement" of Earth expansion use a EE model, isn't it?

 

[florian]

If I understand correctly, you claim that doi:10.1029/2011GL047450 http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2011GL047450.shtml is not an evidence against EE (expanding Earth theory) because it use a PT (plate tectonic theory) model.

In part, yes, since every horizontal velocities are used to model -plate style- displacements.
The second part is that they carefully select the stations to avoid to measure what they must measure for EE, i.e. the deforming regions.

Your "observation" and "measurement" of Earth expansion use a EE model, isn't it?

Of course not! The observations is what led to the model as usual in science.

What geodesists must do is to measure the deformation of the whole earth surface to make estimate of volume change. that is impossible to do without a very dense grid of stations covering the whole planet including oceans- floors.

 

[rogerharris]

Florian my remarks were directed to rogerharris. I consider you to be only agenda driven and self indulgent. The other descriptors definitely do not apply to you. If you consider it rude to describe you as agenda driven and self indulgent I will be happy to argue my case succinctly here or elsewhere. I believe those to be objective assessments of your approach and as such not at all rude.

To prevent them being taken in by agenda driven, self indulgent, minimally educated, intellectually stunted, socially warped demagogues.

Thats ridiculously OTT to say minimally educated, intellectually stunted, consdering i am a PhD student and leave the leadership of EE to be handled by others.

I could just as easily say you are agenda driven, self indulgent, socially warped demagogue primarily because you see it as a mission to protect people from their own ignorance being corrupted by impure ideas due to your being possession of some kind of narcissistic self aggrandized missionary traits that serve to patronize others on a topic thats really not that hard to get to grips with.

Of course if that is my objective assessment then by your own logic I presume you cannot consider it to be rude ?

 

[Gneiss2011]

Of course not! The observations is what led to the model as usual in science.

Wonderful! Please show those observation and measurement of Earth expansion. I'll switch to EE if you show me independent observation and measurement of Earth expansion.

 

[florian]

I could just as easily say you are agenda driven, self indulgent, socially warped demagogue primarily because you see it as a mission to protect people from their own ignorance being corrupted by impure ideas due to your being possession of some kind of narcissistic self aggrandized missionary traits that serve to patronize others on a topic thats really not that hard to get to grips with.

Of course if that is my objective assessment then by your own logic I presume you cannot consider it to be rude ?

You certainly make a point.

Noteworthy, he never apologized after badly insulting a forum user who was actually absolutely right. Worse, when I proved him wrong, he insulted me and never apologize either for his offense, pretexting that he would need time to verify my calculations (a simple series of multiplications!).

You can verify in this discussion: http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2796335&postcount=81

I reported him to moderators but I never go any return that he had been warned of banned. Any other forum user would have been banned for at least a week for the unjustified insults, but he seems to benefit of a special treatment for some unknown reasons?

 

[Robittybob1]

You both are spoiling a very good thread. Please get back to the science.

 

[florian]

Wonderful! Please show those observation and measurement of Earth expansion. I'll switch to EE if you show me independent observation and measurement of Earth expansion.

Do we have to we start all over again? I guess we have to. Let's demonstrate again that ocean floor recycling is negligible and do not equilibrate with MOR accretion.

Practical example:

How much Mediterranean lithosphere got caught under that running flow?
Do the GPS data show a convergence rate or a flow rate?

General principle:

How much convergence between a and b?

I let you think about it until tomorrow.

 

[AlexG]

www.nachon.free.fr has many pretty colored maps.

But nowhere was I able to find where the data came from.

 

[Robittybob1]

www.nachon.free.fr has many pretty colored maps.

But nowhere was I able to find where the data came from.

The link isn't working for me.

 

[AlexG]

type nachon.free.fr into google search,

 

[Robittybob1]

Why are we looking at such a small isolated section of the Earth's surface?

 

[florian]

Why are we looking at such a small isolated section of the Earth's surface?

Because GPS data are not available at the density required to visualize deformations for the whole globe.
If we had that kind of fine data for the whole planet nobody would question EE.

 

[AlexG]

Because GPS data are not available at the density required to visualize deformations for the whole globe.
If we had that kind of fine data for the whole planet nobody would question EE.

So you don't have any observations that the earth is expanding.

 

[florian]

So you don't have any observations that the earth is expanding.

What about the figures posted above? Did not see them?

 

[Trippy]

What about the figures posted above? Did not see them?

At best they suggest a mechanism, but that does not constitute evidence of anything.

 

[AlexG]

What about the figures posted above? Did not see them?

What figures? I must have missed them. What's the source of the figures?

 

[Gneiss2011]

Of course not! The observations is what led to the model as usual in science.

Wonderful! Please show those observation and measurement of Earth expansion. I'll switch to EE if you show me independent observation and measurement of Earth expansion.

How much convergence between a and b?

About zero, which is near exactly what say PT.

So you don't have any observations that the earth is expanding.

Really? florian, do you confirm?

 

[florian]

About zero, which is near exactly what say PT.

zero? If you deduced from the scheme above that there is zero convergence between a and b, then I'm afraid that you don't have the ability to pursue this.