azhar_rahman
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oh yea and can someone please give me a country present that practices islam and promotes and practices islam
In practise, Sudan and Mauretania. By all accounts, several other African countries too.azhar_rahman said:oh yea and can someone please give me a country present that practices both slavery and islam
surenderer said:Islam doesnt call itself anything new
Nothing new AS WELL AS the final answer? Those two statments appear to me, to be, oxymoronic.surenderer said:it's the final answer
OK then, what were the Great Debates of humanity, can you give some examples? What were the "final answers" Islam supplied?surenderer said:Islam doesnt call itself anything new........It says it's the final answer for those debates that preceded it
Islamic slaver traders did a good business with the Amercias.azhar_rahman said:lets agree on one thing. most religions at one time or another practiced religion and slavery. right
but what religion actually gave slaves rights and gave laws to protect them and in the end liberate them
Try to remember these words when next you hear a fellow Muslim talk about the Xian Crusades.azhar_rahman said:exactly and wernt many of the powerful wealthy people of these countries responsible for helping the slave trade in america. didnt they help capture and sell slaves to america and britain. see these people aint muslim they are brutal selfish business men
There appears to be a conundrum here? One must assume if the Innocent CHILDREM of slaves can become slaves that slavery will continue until you STOP slaves from having children? Islam doens't stop slaves from having children so we can assume slavery will continue FOREVER in Islam as long as slaves have children.azhar_rahman said:Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam.
Michael said:Nothing new AS WELL AS the final answer? Those two statments appear to me, to be, oxymoronic.
"Islam, nothing new, offers final answer"
Nope doesn't make sense.
OK then, what were the Great Debates of humanity, can you give some examples? What were the "final answers" Islam supplied?
[/QUOTE]OK then, what were the Great Debates of humanity, can you give some examples? What were the "final answers" Islam supplied?
???surenderer said:Are you just messing with me or are you serious? If me and you have a disagreement and we go to court to a judge doesnt he settle our dispute by giving a final judgement?how is that oxymoronic?
Sorry about this but, we're not on the same page, I'll try and clearify:surenderer said:Well the first that coms to mind is the stature of Jesus (pbuh) and his divinity but there are many more
It's oxymoronic to suggest something has nothing new to offer AND supplies all the answers. A judge would, by passing judgement, be in effect, offering something new to the case at hand.
Your statment on Jesus is fine, but it is just that - a statement or a declaration. It really has no more value than that (other than causing strife between Xians, Jews and Muslims). There is no prompting of thought and no enlightment in ones own existance. It is a statment to be taken at face value and thats that.
As, I assume you believe, Islam is the "Be All and End All" of Gods religious enlightment to man - I was hoping you could offer some of these God inspired precepts Islam has brought to man, enlightened principals and philosophies by which our lives will be enriched.
Why is that so?surenderer said:we should adore and worship Him or submit to His directives, but, merely, because He alone deserves all our adorations and reverence and all our worships and submissions.
Are you suggesting that "bad things happen because God is testing us" is the sort of "new" enlightenment that Islam is advancing? I'm not trying to be fatuous, but that does seem rather trite? I would suggest that many religions before Islam have held similar belief and as such there is nothing all that new in restating it.surenderer said:Islam also teaches that bad things will happen to us sometimes but life of this world is a comprehensive test for us.
Again, pretty much every religon since the dawn of time have advocated this.surenderer said:The basic target to be achieved during this testing phase is to cleanse and purify our hearts minds bodies and souls from all such things that can defile and corrupt them(alcohol gambling fornification etc....).
Again, this could be a page out of almost any religion.surenderer said:The fortunate among us, who shall succeed in their efforts of cleansing and purification, shall be the ones ultimately successful; while those who defile and corrupt their hearts, minds, bodies and souls, shall face the consequences of their defilement and corruption.
I believe you'll find this line of reasoning started with the religion Zoroastrianism.surenderer said:Immediately after this test is over, we shall be faced with the results of this test. These results shall not be temporary. They shall be eternal. The consequences of failing in this test shall be in the everlasting punishment; while that of success shall be in the shape of everlasting bliss in the life of paradise.
Are you suggesting that "bad things happen because God is testing us" is the sort of "new" enlightenment that Islam is advancing? I'm not trying to be fatuous, but that does seem rather trite? I would suggest that many religions before Islam have held similar belief and as such there is nothing all that new in restating it.
Again, Surrender I'll ask - is there ANYTHING particular new and enlightening to Islam? If not, then why bother wasting God's time sending yet another prophet that has nothing noteworthy to say?
[/QUOTE]I'm asking - is there anything you've learned from Islam that is particularly insightful or is this just about it?
The Ottoman emperor Suleyman called himself "Slave of god and master of the world."duendy said:See the irony.
'Islam' MEANS "sumission"
This means you are 'God's slaves
So how then can your 'God' end slavery?
you very BELIEf Is slavery.
you are slaves to your 'God'!
I understand this argument, and I would assume you would also agree that EVERY religion claims this. That's how one SUPPLIMENTS an old religion with a new. First you have to destroy the old one by saying that it's been corrupted.surenderer said:the fact that the respective followers of the previous revelations had broken down the unified 'whole' of God's revelations into separate parts and a new revelation, which would once again present a comprehensive understanding of the unified 'whole' was required. The Qur'an, the revelation through Muhammad (pbuh) presented this unified view of God's revelation......I consider this new and insightful(but you may not)