Is Hell for Real?

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Woody

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There are many positions on Hell, whether it exits or not, and what goes on in Hell. The bible scriptures quote it as an icky place where people crawl around like worms:


Jesus speaks
Mark 9:

42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

It doesn't sound like a big rock and roll party. To get there all a person has to do is nothing:

Jesus speaks
John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

When a person dies it really doesn't matter if they believe there is a hell or not, the result is the same.
 
to understand 'hell' on ehas to understand christianiy's absolute dualism--an absolute dualism strongly influenced by Orphism, who originated the idea of eternal suffering
They had dogmatically split Nature from spirit and believed the 'divine spark'/spirit was trappen in human body and of course Nature. Thus we can see they are beliving Nature is source of evil, and enticement

So the clue is this split between Nature and spirit, good and evil...and ll opposites they splice and then deify one side and have the two sides in coflict till one's eventual victory

as for what hell IS. don't know about after death. noone has ever come back to tell. so all we can go on is inferences. For example, have you ever had hallucingogenic experience? and if so, had a 'bummer'? this is where you will experience hellish visions and feelings...of dead bodies, monsters, whirlpools of shit ready to suk you in...hah...you name it

also, even straight, you can suddenlt feel engulfed by negative thoughts, and with them come feelings of death, worring images of suffering you have seen, etc etc

So understanding that, we realize that part of our whole potential includes negativity, as well as positivty, and that these two are not two separate realms, split off and at war with each other, but a continuum of experience, is all

what the patriarchs do is manipulae this reality to suit their purposes for control. so they DIVIDE this continuum. threatening the gullible with all-the-TIME negativity, and all-the-time positivity, which of course is nonesense. there is no such thing as stasis

prepATRIARCHAL PEOPLES KNOW OF AN 'uNDERWORLD' a deep profound plac of ecstatic experience. But patriarchy demonized it into a place--a 'hell' of 'everlasting' punishment. like the carrot and the stick, this horrendous myth has served its purpose

NOW is the time all see right through it for what it is
 
By who's authority doest thou speak thou great and mighty snakelord? You don't want a place where evil people like you get punished.

As I said before it really doesn't matter what a person believes about hell. The end result is the same. Denial in someone's mind doesn't make something exist or cease to exist. In the end everyone finds out the answer.
 
Hell is a place where Hitler, Jack the Ripper, serial killers,devil worshippers, and haters of God (athiests) get to spend their eternity.


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it exists to you, so you'll find god there too, he's killed more then all them put together. but I dont think you'll find any atheists, it dont exist to us.
 
you are right mis-t-high.

I will be with the God you hate and you will not.
 
Woody said:
When a person dies it really doesn't matter if they believe there is a hell or not, the result is the same.
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After that one I would think the thread would end at its beginning... but then again what do we know about how the universe functions after we die?...
 
Pavlos,

I see right through your soul, son. You are the little boy and I am the man in your picture.

You love pornography. What kind is it you like? It is a disease from hell. You are hooked on it -- Face the facts.

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itopal,

Why don't you be honest with yourself? You are in denial about God, that is why you hate him. That is why you are here, so you can find comfort in others that think the same way. Atheists hate God -- that is the real reason they don't believe isn't it?

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I have no soul, souls are for the delusional, and the man in the picture is dead.

porn oh yes.
you ask what kind, then you must have been watching it for a long time,to know what kind s there are, wow you are hooked, it's a fact.

there is no denial it does not exist what is there to deny, why would we hate something that does not exist, that is just plain stupid.
wow you are truly dum.
there is nothing to believe in, show us a little evidence please.

Proving Existence or Non-Existence.

The existence of a thing can be conclusively proved by producing one single instance of the thing.

To put that another way: -
When the existence of a thing is denied, This can be proven wrong by producing one single instance of the thing said not to exist

The non-existence of a thing can never be conclusively proved because there is always the theoretical assumption that the thing exists but has not been seen yet or it exists in a place that can not be visited. Unless all places in the universe have been visited and are being constantly observed, we can not be absolutely certain.

From this we can say that there are only two possible statements we can make about the existence of a thing:


The thing exists.

It is unknown if the thing exists or not.

It is not possible to prove that a thing "does not exist" without further qualifying criteria.

If a thing does NOT exist it can not leave any evidence of it's non-existence. Only things that DO exist can leave evidence. From this we can derive that conclusive proof can only come from the person that claims that a thing exists. It is nonsensical to demand proof of non-existence.
 
Pavlos says seeing is believing.

Have you ever seen a radio wave pavlos? How do you know it exists?

Did it start to exist after it was discovered or before?

Yes, I do know about pornography, I wasn't always a Christian. I do not have a problem with it. I am married too.

I know something about the crafts from more than just reading literature. You are no match for demons. The little dead man is the grim reaper, better known as death. He works for satan the chief atheistic God hater.
 
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How come I did not see this thread earlier? Must be one of the funniest I have seen in some time...

Anyway, to the initial post:
The bible scriptures quote it as an icky place where people crawl around like worms:
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Now, that does sound like the way many people live their lifes, crawling around like worms. Pathetically and content to crawl in the dirt their god left for them... without a backbone.

...and haters of God (athiests) get to spend their eternity.
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That is strange... I always thought satanists and similar morons hate god, whereas atheists do not believe in a god, e.g. God is a non-factor for those who do not believe in the existance of god.

But then there is this point:

Atheists hate God -- that is the real reason they don't believe isn't it?
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Funny shit, dude. Why should I hate a dream? Why should I hate something that is apparently not even there? Now that would be a real waste of time.
 
Dreamwalker,

Dream on. You don't believe God exists because you don't want to believe. You are not looking for God, and that is why you haven't found him. Get a life Dude.

There is no difference between atheism and satanism, they both count God as dead.
 
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Oh, thanks for the advice, but I already have a life, otherwise I would not be able to write this. And I searched for god... where did you find him? And why exactly should I believe?



(I think I should change my name, this stupid way people always use my screen name to make some witty remarks are a bit annoying...)
 
Dreamwalker,

I found God in my own heart. You will never understand this unless you honestly look for him to.

Yes you have a life, but not for long, because it doesn't belong to you, and that is why we die.
 
Really? And I always thought you die of incidents, illnesses and decline of organic tissue...too bad. By the way, I think you can only find god in your brain, and there I only found myself.

Don't be so woody about life, it's fun while it last, and I will pay whatever bills I ran up.
 
By who's authority doest thou speak thou great and mighty snakelord?
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By my authority. Or if you prefer: by the authority of god who gave me the right to freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, and the ability to use my brain. Not to mention the need given to me by god to actually have evidence for things before I jump up and start preaching like the lunatics you spend your days with.

Of course if you actually have something of value with which to support belief in the existence of a hell, bring it on. All the mouth in the world does absolutely nothing, and anyone can do it. The question is: When it comes down to the crunch, are you all talk or can you back it up with substance?

You know, I don't see dragons flying through the skies, and no matter where I go and look, there are no signs of dragons. As a result, if you asked me if dragons existed, I would naturally say no. The same is true of any entity that has no evidence pertaining to its existence and any place that has no evidence pertaining to its existence. Not only does it go for hell, but for atlantis, eldorado, and mordor.

So, much like in the last post where I gave you the opportunity, (but was ignored), I hereby give you the chance to prove it or at the very least try to validate it.

You don't want a place where evil people like you get punished.
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And how am I evil? Please, do explain.

In the end everyone finds out the answer.
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Or not.

Hell is a place where Hitler, Jack the Ripper, serial killers,devil worshippers, and haters of God (athiests) get to spend their eternity.
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I'm curious how you put atheists in the same sentence as Hitler, Jack the Ripper, serial killers, and devil worshippers. The reason most likely comes from your ignorance concerning what an atheist is. An atheist is most certainly not a hater of god, considering we don't believe there is such a being. As a result, there is simply nothing to hate. I suggest you spend some time learning these very simple things before making more of a fool of yourself.
 
Don't be so woody about life, it's fun while it last, and I will pay whatever bills I ran up.
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You said it yourself.

Only problem is you leave this world without anything to pay with.
 
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