Is God Real?

Originally posted by Cris
If a racist makes a valuable non-racist statement will you treat that statement with contempt simply because of who said it?
No, I will treat the racist with contempt, which is precisely what I have done in this case. Please moralize to someone else.
 
You're free to do that, CA, but your contempt for a racist does not imply that he or she can only put forth canards and falsities.
 
Originally posted by Redoubtable
CA: That's not true, because you're a fascist/racist blow-hard.

Redoubtable: Huh?:confused:
I did not say that a particular statement was wrong because it was issued by pro-Nazi scum; I said that I had (and have) no desire to dialogue with them. I neither offered nor intended ad honimem. You distort my position, whether intentionally or simply due to ignorance is unknown. In your case, I don't particularly care.
 
Well . . . ok

Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
I did not say that a particular statement was wrong because it was issued by pro-Nazi scum; I said that I had (and have) no desire to dialogue with them.

No, not that particular statement . . . that little dialogue thingummy was merely a colorful illustration.

Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
When you find racists issuing "truth", please feel free to paraphrase it for me.

This indicates that you do not think "racists" can "issue truth".
 
Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
And I implied that where?

Right here, amigo . . .

Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
When you find racists issuing "truth", please feel free to paraphrase it for me.
 
Re: Well . . . ok

Originally posted by Redoubtable
This indicates that you do not think "racists" can "issue truth".
You are a fool. That is not what the sentence says. That is not what the sentence means.
 
Hitler built Germany's industrial complex but that didn't change who he was a homocidal maniac, what could you learn from someone like that.
 
To be sure, the sentence was a response to this question.
Originally posted by Cris
Does a truth change its nature depending on who said it?

In the response you clearly stated "When you find racists issuing 'truth' . . ."

Now, if that's not doubt, what is?
 
CA is correct in that he never stated my comment was wrong. He simply does not want to associate with me.

However, his idea that I am a racist is reactionary and has no truth to it. My interest in National Socialist politics does not indicate that I am a Nazi or a fascist (although I do hold fascist tendencies). When one wishes to preserve their own heritage and the heritage of other races, they are ultimately accused of hatred. It is interesting how violently one feels they should defend their dogmatic positions, much like a fascist would.

Hitler built Germany's industrial complex but that didn't change who he was a homocidal maniac, what could you learn from someone like that.

So the Volkswagen Beetle and stealth bomber are of no use to anyone?
 
Originally posted by and2000x
CA is correct in that he never stated my comment was wrong. He simply does not want to associate with me.

Naw, he only called you a fascist . . . :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Crushing Belial
They are obsolete.

The stealth bomber . . . obsolete? How about the interstate? Is that antiquated too?
 
Yes, the government and the industrial complex are quaking in their boots over zero point energy free energy obtained on a subatomic level.
 
Crushing,

I think you'll find that theory has been around for some time and profoundly refutted.

But state what you think you have found and let's see.
 
Of course we don't need gasoline or electricity to travel, we can all use solar sails. :rolleyes:
 
Crushing,

OK, but what is the connection with religion?
 
As usual, CA runs away and doesn't even listen to my reasoning. What a bigot.
 
Originally posted by Cris
I can’t tell if you have simply missed the point again, or you deliberately twist the text. I suspect a bit of both.
I more ignored the attempted point.;)
The imaginings of scientists quite often turn into discoveries of reality. The imaginings of theists have never turned into anything real.
I doubt you ignored my point; you just missed it altogether. Well I got that attempted point. However, I differ in my opinion there. Science describes that which is observed. It does nothing else. Where people think there is anything else to it, they are kidding themselves, or do not know the nature of what they study/advocate. Science describes matter in terms of particles. You don't think those particles have to exist do you? Observations fit the hypothesis/theory/model. If observations contradict the hypothesis/theory/model, they are revised. Science is, simply, another form of language. Now consider all the languages we have here on earth. Science doesn't discover reality... it invents it relative to the human perspective. Science is what you call one HUUUGE approximation. Hope that helped. Your reality is what you make of it Cris... rationally. I keep telling you.... get a 'reality' check.
The concepts of gods, devils, the supernatural, and souls, remain as ever just fictional. And there appears no prospect that this will change any time soon.
In your reality dear comrade.
That you can delude yourself with reified objects is really your problem. I don’t care what you choose to believe when you can’t substantiate any of it one iota.
Sure you don't.;) It's my Christian duty to care. Of course, I would say, I can't force you to share my beliefs - not that I don't care - I'm pretty honest with myself. Now, in my view, that's your problem.
I can’t see something that doesn’t exist. And it appears to make no difference to my life whether gods or souls exists or not. Although life is easier and freer to assume they do not exist. The issue is seemingly irrelevant.
Well obviously you see your point here. That's good. It didn't appear to make a difference in our lives whether quarks or electrons or neutrinos existed Cris. Gathering they didn't exist, would you exist? Good point Cris.
Sure why not. It’s your life. Do your own thing and I’ll do mine.
Always my good fellow.
 
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