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Is G-d real, a figment of our imagination, or both?
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I opted for both; I believe God is everything; therefore, he is both real -and- a figment of our imaginations (our imaginations are still part of everything ;-)). I also don't really care if people say they 'believe' in God; it's just a word. The most important thing is if they believe in something (something being part of everything, in my view, they still believe in atleast a part of God).
Something else to think about: what is real?
I personally view 2 types of realities; consensual reality, which you could call to be the most real, and personal reality, which while not as real, has strong local effects (I begin to think of things like the forces of gravity, strong and weak forces for some reason).
I also think that the more something affects us, the more real it is; this works in both for both the macro and the micro realities.
Using this logic, a dream can be far more 'real' then one's every day life. I remember a time when I prefered my dreaming hours to my actual waking ones. And I still consider certain dreams I remember to be very meaningful. I also believe that I unconsciously forget other dreams because at times consciously knowing too much can be too much to handle.
I'm a very open man with the people I'm close to, so my dreams are the final holdout for any secrets; I feel they speak of what truly is (as opposed to how things appear) and what may one day be and how both of those things tend to play with each other (patterns getting stronger until they become the official 'reality'; present dreams becoming future reality).
Something else to think about: what is real?
I personally view 2 types of realities; consensual reality, which you could call to be the most real, and personal reality, which while not as real, has strong local effects (I begin to think of things like the forces of gravity, strong and weak forces for some reason).
I also think that the more something affects us, the more real it is; this works in both for both the macro and the micro realities.
Using this logic, a dream can be far more 'real' then one's every day life. I remember a time when I prefered my dreaming hours to my actual waking ones. And I still consider certain dreams I remember to be very meaningful. I also believe that I unconsciously forget other dreams because at times consciously knowing too much can be too much to handle.
I'm a very open man with the people I'm close to, so my dreams are the final holdout for any secrets; I feel they speak of what truly is (as opposed to how things appear) and what may one day be and how both of those things tend to play with each other (patterns getting stronger until they become the official 'reality'; present dreams becoming future reality).
Reposted from a PM, to show how little fedr808 grasps things;
fedr808, that was my point entirely. You replace the label God, with G-d. G-d becomes a new name for God. You defeat yourself, because you are are not allowed to use the name of God, be it God, G-d, YHWH, or 'Tetragrammaton', they are all labels, and names, for the same thing! The practice is therefore utterly self defeating.
If you can't see this, it's pointless carrying on discussion with you.
phlogistician said:
fedr808 said:
fedr808, that was my point entirely. You replace the label God, with G-d. G-d becomes a new name for God. You defeat yourself, because you are are not allowed to use the name of God, be it God, G-d, YHWH, or 'Tetragrammaton', they are all labels, and names, for the same thing! The practice is therefore utterly self defeating.
If you can't see this, it's pointless carrying on discussion with you.
I'll vote for option 2!
Yeah i said that. Was it really too compicated for you to understand?
You clearly do not understand the implication! You say you cannot use the name 'God', so use 'G-d' instead, which becomes a name for God, and you are not allowed to use the name for God, so cannot therefore use G-d either, and it NEVER ENDS.
Are you really that thick you can't see this?
Reposted from another PM.
Seems fedr808 really doesn't understand what is going on here at all. Oh, and when he's run out of arguments, starts spouting spurious bullshit.
fedr808 said:
Seems fedr808 really doesn't understand what is going on here at all. Oh, and when he's run out of arguments, starts spouting spurious bullshit.
wow, well i have to say i can't deny what i said. You would make a great atheist kkk. do yuo know what pm even stands for?
Thank God this is in a science forum instead of the religion forum.
If I choose to publicise a PM, that's my choice. You don't get to say stupid things and get away with it, just because it's a PM.
BTW, I'm now going to report you for making a slur against me and calling me racist. Good day.
wow, im scared. you called my religion bs, all religion bs. Called me ignorant, tons of other stuff. Insult every person whom has posted something other than what you believe in, heck you could even make an atheist bible, or encyclopedia. so take it like a man/woman/other. probably other. quite frankly that was a personal insult not a rascial slur, a slur is like all atheists are retarded because that is insulting all atheists and is a slur, and is not true. Not that i believe it. So reporting me for a rascial slur is false. Adn you ARE racist get over it or stop.
How am I racist? Quote or be damned.
'Atheist bible', er, the antithesis of atheism there, I think, do you not understand what atheism is? Oh, and please tell me what you think I believe in, you have said I;
It's not about people having beliefs different to mine, my beliefs don't enter into it, but people holding beliefs which are unfounded, anachronistic, unjustifiable, and now merely exists as part of empty ritual. It's got nothing to do with what I believe, but the practices of an empty, obsolete religion.
And yes, I called all religions bullshit, including yours. You think strapping phylacteries to your forehead is to be taken seriously?
Oh, and where have I called you 'ignorant'? I can't see it.
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I didn't use the word 'ignorant' anywhere. You have failed to prove your assertion.
You haven't shown where I used racist terminology.
You have failed.
u used naivety, you called all religions bull shit etc.