Reiku said:thought could be pin-pointed down as a materialistic phenomena.
despite this observation I again state that I tend to think genuine free will does not exist, but (1b) and my essay's discussion show that it is at least possible (can be consistent with nature's physical rules) that it may
I totally disagree with everything you just posted.I totally dissagree, as Chaotic systems will a lot of the time, be an effect of a distant prior cause. If by quantum mechanics, you mean, 'the principle of indeterminism,' then i have devised an answer for this. Two in fact.
Might it be, that since consciousness is a macroscopic phenom, it cannot be applied to understand the fundamental level of things? Also, without the observer (according to the observer effect), uncertainty would not exist.
Reiku
I understand the "observer effect" quite well, thank you. Do you? I suspect not.Why>>?
Take chaotic systems in the atmosphere. Something always preceeds another thing>> an event cannot instantaneously jump into the suspected variables without some prior cause... (This obviously breaks down at the fundamental level of things...)
Also, if you are dissagreeing with my uncertainty axiom, then you don't understand the observer effect.
Nonsense. Either you have free will or you don't. Lack of perfect information doesn't mean you aren't free, it simply means you just have to make the best choice you can with the info you have.It's context too. In some cases we do have free will to an extent when we know of the consequences or effects of our actions.
Nonsense. Either you have free will or you don't. Lack of perfect information doesn't mean you aren't free, it simply means you just have to make the best choice you can with the info you have.
Saying there is no free will is just a philosophical cop out for people who don't want to take responsibility for their lives and their choices.
Sure I have. God knows everything that is, down to the last molecule. Imagine an infinitely powerful computer with perfect knowledge of everything that is. With this knowledge, he can easily predict what will happen. Indeed, I believe he built the universe to achieve his ends like a pool player lining up a multiball shot.As a believer, have you decided how it's possible for the omniscient God, who explicitly said that he knew you in a womb, to allow the free will? Have you come up with a solution for this puzzle?
Freewill
by
Rush
There are those who think that life has nothing left to chance,
A host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance.
A planet of playthings,
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive
"The stars aren't aligned,
Or the gods are malign..."
Blame is better to give than receive.
Chorus
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill.
There are those who think that they were dealt a losing hand,
The cards were stacked against them; they weren't born in Lotusland.
All preordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate.
Kicked in the face,
You can't pray for a place
In heaven's unearthly estate.
Chorus
Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete.
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet.
Sorry, if there is uncertainty, there is no omniscience, if there is no omniscience, there is no Christian God, cause Bible can't lie. If there is knowledge of you in a womb, there no free will (for your mother, at least).Sure I have. God knows everything that is, down to the last molecule. Imagine an infinitely powerful computer with perfect knowledge of everything that is. With this knowledge, he can easily predict what will happen. Indeed, I believe he built the universe to achieve his ends like a pool player lining up a multiball shot.
But he built uncertainty into the universe at a fundamental level (quantum mechanics). Einstein said God does not play dice with the universe. In my opinion, he does. This was to give us freewill. To make morality real. For without choice, their is no right or wrong. No good or evil.
What I think is that Jesus (not speaking of Old Testament Lord) have certain (if not most) features of a psychopathic control freak, demanding absolute obedience or else. Sure, technically speaking, if you have a choice between a good meal and death in a molten metal, you may choose molten metal bath, but common. There is no common sense freedom there, it's clear even for the wicked humans, but not to the omniscient, omniloving God.God kicked us out of eden because eating of the tree of knowledge would make us too much like him. Do you think he meant that we would become unthinking automatons without choice?
You can't choose between good and evil, because it's purely cultural concepts. Had you been kidnapped and raised elsewhere your sets of "good and evil" would've been quite different. Humans are not flies, they need society to load their matrixes. Without society humans raised by wolves, for example,don't even suspect that "good and evil" exist.Of course not. We became thinking beings capable of making moral choices. Capable of choosing good or evil.
Sorry, if there is uncertainty, there is no omniscience, if there is no omniscience, there is no Christian God, cause Bible can't lie. If there is knowledge of you in a womb, there no free will (for your mother, at least).
What I think is that Jesus (not speaking of Old Testament Lord) have certain (if not most) features of a psychopathic control freak, demanding absolute obedience or else. Sure, technically speaking, if you have a choice between a good meal and death in a molten metal, you may choose molten metal bath, but common. There is no common sense freedom there, it's clear even for the wicked humans, but not to the omniscient, omniloving God.
You can't choose between good and evil, because it's purely cultural concepts. Had you been kidnapped and raised elsewhere your sets of "good and evil" would've been quite different. Humans are not flies, they need society to load their matrixes. Without society humans raised by wolves, for example,don't even suspect that "good and evil" exist.