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DaveC426913 said:
What you are saying here is tantamount to

"You guys have not educated me enough. Please explain chemistry to me."

Because, if you are going to rely on us for facts about chemistry then it pretty much goes without saying that - when we tell you atmospheric oxygen is a molecule rather than an atom - you're gonna have to take our word for it.
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It is hard to know whether river is a troll or just very, very deeply stupid. :rolleyes:

When it comes to anything involving chemistry, he acts as if he is solid concrete from the neck up. The classic illustration is this thread, which I made sure was the last time I interacted with him:http://www.sciforums.com/threads/has-there-been-an-improved-understanding-of-water.135771/. , in which he suggested encasing an individual hydrogen atom in plastic....:biggrin:

River has no idea what an atom is or what a molecule is, so the chance of him understanding why atomic oxygen is too reactive to be found in water, or to be used by lifeforms in respiration, is zero. Or so he wants it to appear, at least - I remain unconvinced that anyone can really be that thick.

Best leave him to talk to Write4U. They seem happy enough in each others company. -_O
 
exchemist said:
It is hard to know whether river is a troll or just very, very deeply stupid. :rolleyes:
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He is old, fading, and desirous of human interaction about science-adjacent stuff.

I would sympathize more, but he is his own worst enemy. He could use some humility about the significant limits of his own knowledge.
 
DaveC426913 said:
He is old, fading, and desirous of human interaction about science-adjacent stuff.

I would sympathize more, but he is his own worst enemy. He could use some humility about the significant limits of his own knowledge.
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That sounds like a good description of both of them, then. :biggrin:
 
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If no wave , then what collapses into a particle ?
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Nothing collapses into particle, it's the wave function that collapses at some variable point when the wave meets an obstacle. The wave function collapses in some measurable configuration, but not the energy state of the particle itself which registers as the physical particle (value).
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What obstacle ?
 
billvon said:
I have answered you three times now. Atomic oxygen would kill you if you breathed it. It would kill fish if they were exposed to it. We breathe O2 which is an oxygen MOLECULE. Not atomic oxygen. Fish breath O2 which is an oxygen MOLECULE. Not atomic oxygen. They cannot use the "free atomic oxygen" in the water because 1) it does not exist and 2) it would kill them if it did. They cannot use the oxygen in H2O either. All they can use is the dissolved oxygen MOLECULES.

Do you get it yet? I can't use any smaller words.
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Got it !

When you say MOLECULES then what kind of molecules are they ? What are they made of ?
 
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Aquatic respiration ;

Fish
See also: Fish respiration
Most fish exchange gases using gills on either side of the pharynx (throat), forming the Splanchnocranium; the Splanchnocranium being the portion of the skeleton where the cartilage of the cranium converges into the cartilage of the pharynx and its associated parts.[2] Gills are tissues which consist of threadlike structures called filaments. These filaments have many functions and are involved in ion and water transfer as well as oxygen, carbon dioxide, acid and ammonia exchange.[3] Each filament contains a capillary network that provides a large surface area for the exchange of gases and ions. Fish exchange gases by pulling oxygen-rich water through their mouths and pumping it over their gills. In species like the Spiny dogfish and other sharks and rays, a spiracle exists near the top of the head that pumps water into the gills when the animal is not in motion.[4] In some fish, capillary blood flows in the opposite direction to the water, causing countercurrent exchange. The muscles on the sides of the pharynx push the oxygen-depleted water out the gill openings. In bony fish, the pumping of oxygen-poor water is aided by a bone that surrounds the gills called the Operculum (fish).[5]
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What form of water is oxygen rich ? That allows respiration by fish .

exchemist should know or at least find out . And then let us know .
In both Marine and Fresh Water .
 
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river said:
Respond to my post #1750 . The one directly before your post .
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Oh my God you're not joking.

An oxygen molecule is written as O2. See if you can work it out from there.

Post #1750: "What form of water is oxygen rich ?" There are no "forms"/allotropes/varieties of water that are oxygen rich. All water is H2O and thus has exactly the same ratio of oxygen to hydrogen. Even heavy water has heavier hydrogen isotopes but exactly the same ratio of oxygen to hydrogen.

Depending on environment, water has different gases dissolved in it. A cup of water standing on the table has a partial pressure of oxygen and nitrogen that exactly matches the partial pressures in air (159 mmHg in the case of oxygen.) This is oxygen that is available to fish. So to use language you may understand better, there is plenty of oxygen for fish in that glass of water.

But let's say you put a goldfish in that glass. He's going to respire via his gills and use up that oxygen. More will diffuse in from the surface but it will be slow. So he may suffocate. (Or more likely start "breathing" air at the surface, which goldfish to do when ppO2 levels are low.)

To counteract that you could:
1) get a bigger tank for him, so there's more surface area to diffuse gases
2) get a pump with an aerator, to artificially increase the surface area available to diffuse gases
3) take the fish out and allow the water to return to equilibrium with the atmosphere.
 
billvon said:
Oh my God you're not joking.

An oxygen molecule is written as O2. See if you can work it out from there.

Post #1750: "What form of water is oxygen rich ?" There are no "forms"/allotropes/varieties of water that are oxygen rich. All water is H2O and thus has exactly the same ratio of oxygen to hydrogen. Even heavy water has heavier hydrogen isotopes but exactly the same ratio of oxygen to hydrogen.

Depending on environment, water has different gases dissolved in it. A cup of water standing on the table has a partial pressure of oxygen and nitrogen that exactly matches the partial pressures in air (159 mmHg in the case of oxygen.) This is oxygen that is available to fish. So to use language you may understand better, there is plenty of oxygen for fish in that glass of water.

But let's say you put a goldfish in that glass. He's going to respire via his gills and use up that oxygen. More will diffuse in from the surface but it will be slow. So he may suffocate. (Or more likely start "breathing" air at the surface, which goldfish to do when ppO2 levels are low.)

To counteract that you could:
1) get a bigger tank for him, so there's more surface area to diffuse gases
2) get a pump with an aerator, to artificially increase the surface area available to diffuse gases
3) take the fish out and allow the water to return to equilibrium with the atmosphere.
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Or an alge bloom that takes the oxygen out of the water . Which causes Marine life to die from suffocation .

So its just atmospheric pressure ?
 
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river said:
Or an alge bloom that takes the oxygen out of the water .
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Depends on the type of algae. Green algae increases the oxygen concentration due to photosynthesis.
So its just atmospheric pressure ?
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In a glass of water, yes.

In the world as a whole, green algae/phytoplankton generates oxygen in the seas, and green plants generate oxygen on land. The ocean and the atmosphere exchange gases all the time. The ocean as a whole holds a lot less oxygen than the air does - but the top layers of the ocean, which contain most of the phytoplankton, contains more. (Again measuring by partial pressure.)
 
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Or an alge bloom that takes the oxygen out of the water .
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Depends on the type of algae. Green algae increases the oxygen concentration due to photosynthesis.
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The type of alge is not so much important as it is , that it takes the excess oxygen from the water , that would go to Marine life . Hence suffocation .
 
So its just atmospheric pressure ?
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In a glass of water, yes.

In the world as a whole, green algae/phytoplankton generates oxygen in the seas, and green plants generate oxygen on land. The ocean and the atmosphere exchange gases all the time. The ocean as a whole holds a lot less oxygen than the air does - but the top layers of the ocean, which contain most of the phytoplankton, contains more. (Again measuring by partial pressure.)
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The Excess Oxygen Resides where in Water ? In between H2O molecules themselves ? Where ?
 
river said:
Explain then what form of oxygen gets into the water , That Fish can breath .
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Already explained.
river said:
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Mathematics in any form governs nothing . Purely in and of itself .
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More ignorance and lies.
https://sites.google.com/site/periodictablemathstructure/
The mathematical structure of the Periodic System Table:
Abstract:

The Periodic Table with a new double numerical structure, presented here is an attempt to find a table form which will in some new way represent the periodicity and symmetry of the Elements, with the Periodic System its base. Also, this tetrahedral laminar table structure may someday become a base for developing a new shell structure of the atomic nucleus.

This new rearrangement of the chemical element is based on a mathematical formula whose result is, simply, the length of the periods.
 
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