Is capitalism working?

Originally posted by thecurly1

The American classes are working rather harmonously and the tactic of class warfare and economic populism are both dying stragems. This is for the fact that they don't work and aren't really true.
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Yay. Let's all ignore reality and declare "High Brazil is not sinking!"
 
Originally posted by Adam
Okay, for the geniuses among us...

The USSR was not communist. China is not communist. Don't use them as examples of how communism fails.
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I'm intrigued, i studied both of these countries in history for my HSC relating to their communism, how were they not? in the sense of the definition of the word given in textbooks etc etc?
i'm not having a go, i'm just interested.
 
Originally posted by Nebuchadnezzaar
I'm intrigued, i studied both of these countries in history for my HSC relating to their communism, how were they not? in the sense of the definition of the word given in textbooks etc etc?
i'm not having a go, i'm just interested.
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1) What does "U.S.S.R." stand for?

2)
  • Communism, when you cut away all the bits that could belong also to other systems, leaves the communal ownership and control of a society's resources.
  • Socialism, when you cut away all the bits that could belong also to other systems, leaves the ownership and control of the society's resources in the hands of "the Party" in control of the state.
USSR was Socialist. China still is.

3) Most people have a couple of odd ideas about communism, those being: 1) it means the state has absolute control of the economy; and 2) it is the opposite of capitalism. Both are false. These misconceptions are the result of McCarthy era bollocks propaganda.
 
Originally posted by Adam
1) What does "U.S.S.R." stand for?

2)
  • Communism, when you cut away all the bits that could belong also to other systems, leaves the communal ownership and control of a society's resources.
  • Socialism, when you cut away all the bits that could belong also to other systems, leaves the ownership and control of the society's resources in the hands of "the Party" in control of the state.
USSR was Socialist. China still is.

3) Most people have a couple of odd ideas about communism, those being: 1) it means the state has absolute control of the economy; and 2) it is the opposite of capitalism. Both are false. These misconceptions are the result of McCarthy era bollocks propaganda.
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i'm convinced.....
 
Posted by ~The_Chosen~:
That is what happens if absolute power falls onto a "privelege elite few."
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That's exactly what is happening with capitalism now, with all the power given to a feel multinational corporations...!!:eek: :rolleyes:

As 1119 says:
In my opinion, the greatest threat to Capitalism is the increasing accumulation of wealth, power and resources in the hands of a few - namely giant conglomerates.
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capitalism, socialism, all of it, it's all part of money making, the screwing of people, pirates control this planet, they always have they always will, to think anything different is foolish.
 
Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Adam,
What!?!?!?:confused:
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It's a reference to the movie Erik The Viking. I was talking about thecurly1's ideas that class polarisation doesn't happen.
 
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
the averge family can not afford to buy a home, as living cost.
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The average family is not homeless, so obviously they can afford to buy a home. Renting costs more than buying.

Also otherwise 40% of gosss earning goes to taxes,
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I make a decent income, yet I pay only 25% of my gross in tax, which is cheap considering what I get for that.

plainly there is no gain in sight year after year for the majority of the population
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Perhaps because year after year they watch the boob tube rather than improve their job skills.

The random medical cost of a family can not be payed exccept through a payment procces, and major medical bills often cripple the familys earnings for several years or more.
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Only for families who don’t buy medical insurance. In Washington State, USA, individual insurance (not subsidized by an employer) for both my son and I is $US 80 a month with a $1,500 deductible. This means we have 100% medical coverage for between $80 and $205 a month. Not bad for two people.

In many cases both father and mother must work leaving the children as wards of others in adolecence
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Mostly in cases where the father and mother are overly materialistic. I read about a family of four where only the father worked and made only twice the minimum wage. This was their choice so the father could have a low-stress job and the mother could be at home for the kids. They had many clever ways of getting maximum enjoyment from their small income. Easy to do in a society that provides plenty of low and no-cost entertainment.

Currently the only revival would be the distribution of land to citizen, where each citizen is given a portion of land to sell, live on ect...
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How is stealing the land from its current owner fair? Why target only landowners? Land = money. Why not redistribute the wealth? Let’s let people work hard to acquire money, and then take the money away from them and give it to lazy people. Great idea.

make a interstate public transportaion system that is free or exstremly low cost and under fedral operation
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In the USA it’s called the interstate highway system. Works wonders.

[capitalism] has been taken to the maxium in the USA
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Perhaps it has been optimized, but I think there’s room for improvement. I’ll think about that while I take my Sunday hike in clean air in a beautiful park on a maintained trail, having driven there on nice roads protected by police and rescue services.
 
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Adam
Okay, for the geniuses among us...

The USSR was not communist. China is not communist. Don't use them as examples of how communism fails.
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Lol, its so freakin' funny when people use those as reasons why communism doesnt work.
Nebuchadnezzaar
i'm convinced.....
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1) What does "U.S.S.R." stand for?
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for anyone who doesnt know.
Im not sure if your being sarcastic or not but Adam was talking the truth so you should be convinced.
~The_Chosen~:
That is what happens if absolute power falls onto a "privelege elite few
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Thats Socialism, i think GB GIL Transglobal has covered this.

*rubs hands in glee with the prospects of this thread*
:D
 
Or we could just live with the problems and let trial and error sort out what course of action is best.
 
Originally posted by zanket
The average family is not homeless, so obviously they can afford to buy a home. Renting costs more than buying.



I make a decent income, yet I pay only 25% of my gross in tax, which is cheap considering what I get for that.



Perhaps because year after year they watch the boob tube rather than improve their job skills.



Only for families who don’t buy medical insurance. In Washington State, USA, individual insurance (not subsidized by an employer) for both my son and I is $US 80 a month with a $1,500 deductible. This means we have 100% medical coverage for between $80 and $205 a month. Not bad for two people.



Mostly in cases where the father and mother are overly materialistic. I read about a family of four where only the father worked and made only twice the minimum wage. This was their choice so the father could have a low-stress job and the mother could be at home for the kids. They had many clever ways of getting maximum enjoyment from their small income. Easy to do in a society that provides plenty of low and no-cost entertainment.



How is stealing the land from its current owner fair? Why target only landowners? Land = money. Why not redistribute the wealth? Let’s let people work hard to acquire money, and then take the money away from them and give it to lazy people. Great idea.



In the USA it’s called the interstate highway system. Works wonders.



Perhaps it has been optimized, but I think there’s room for improvement. I’ll think about that while I take my Sunday hike in clean air in a beautiful park on a maintained trail, having driven there on nice roads protected by police and rescue services.
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sorry,Zanket but you are badly informed, and are with out understanding of the current system, throughout the united states or the state of washington. i don't mean to inslut you but you are with out understanding of what the proccess means physically in the present, or will mean in the future. which is one problem clealy set in the legislative bodies, as well. in contrast i do soild ground work, not only do i understand the coruption, but i understand microeconomics and econmic impacts of events. so in end result you will not win with me in a argument, i don't think that a sentor could win, be cause i am a eye wittness.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
 
Originally posted by thecurly1
Adam if those myths were true Gore would have whipped Bush in the election of 2000.
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Riiiight...
 
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