Is Atheism Irrelavent?
- Thread starter Mazulu
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I thought we were discussing responsibility here. Seems you weigh in on the "responsibility be damned" side.
"Do note, though, that Zwaan hasn’t yet published his result in a peer-reviewed journal, so this failure of replication must remain tentative." - Does eroding belief in free will cause cheating? Failure to replicate a famous result.
And I am not sitting through some tedious and perhaps dubious YouTube video. If you have a link to text, or (novel idea) can merely summarize it yourself, I would be happy to examine it.
arauca
The elimination of magical thinking alone would get rid of the Tea Party in the US, to great benefit for all. The anti-science, know-nothing party is dragging us down with their immunity to reality. That immunity has been inculcated into them by a lifetime of religious indoctrination to believe fairy tales are true.
By the way, most orthodox Buddhists are Atheists, the Shinto religion in Japan is honor to ancestors, not worship of gods, most Native American religions were spirit based, not god based and where did you get the idea that Atheists are not just as spiritual and moral as you are? The point being that even BILLIONS of people considered religious aren't by the definition of the Fundy Christians or Muslims, whole countries are mostly Atheist(some of them the best countries on Earth), your supernatural delusions are not an improvement for the human intellect and can lead to inane, if not insane, behavior. Hitler was a life-long devout Catholic, but then so is Rick Santorum.
Grumpy
# 1 the implication was only USA that atheism is increasing . Sorry I believe your first paragraph is irreverent ( Tea Party ). Religion or belief is not stopping science , Science have grown in the last 100 years religion did not stop scientific exploration , many religios scientists are contributing for the advancement in scientific information.
During my early years working in extracting proteines from different materials did not hinder scientific advancement . In the 1960 + I worked in introduction of laser as a light source for colored specimen for moving boundary electrophoresis in the company were I worked . We worked in the earliest IR. using Fourier trans. and observed emission IR. instead of absorption. and many other work. Ever I believed in a Creator and I continue believing . I believe our spiritual life does not hinder to continue work in exploration.
Bells
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Possibly because you are looking at religious populations and atheism and atheists are not religious or classified as a religious group or belief?
I wonder why you are bothering as well? Especially given the fact that your stupidity resulted in your looking for atheists under religious populations... Not to mention you spend more time trolling than you do posting actual facts or anything even remotely interesting.
The interesting about your trolling rantings on this site reveals one thing. Your cowardice. You attempt to debunk physics in the religious forum. We do have a Physics sub-forum. What's the matter Mazulu? Afraid that they are going to rip your idiocy to shreds?
Hey I'm just going by what the CIA fact book tells me. According to them, atheism isn't important enough to get its own NON-religious faith category. It has to be lumped in with other categories.
If I'm defending religion, you call it trolling. If I don't agree with you, I'm stupid.
I'm not debunking physics. All I'm saying is that physics is incomplete. We're missing the part that says where the big bang came from. We're missing the part that shows how physics constants are sustained. As for cowardice, I think you have me confused with someone else.
Bells, I'm not ready to apologize for what I said to you. But I do owe you an apology.
Let’s not ignore the deficiencies noted in the original experiment.Syne said:
From the original V&S article.
The implication that a brief exposure to a philosophical concept could translate to a significant reformulation of one’s prolonged experientially derived moral foundation seems a bit of a stretch, especially from a single low sample quality experiment.
Best not risk exposure to a brief 2 min video espousing pro-deterministic content, according to the above study it will likely corrupt your moral integrity.Syne said:
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That is a lot of justification in lieu of peer review.
Did not notice it was that short (just tired of YouTube videos in lieu of actual discussion). But he made the same sort of complexity argument Christians often make in favor of creation.
Of course, that is utterly ridiculous and shows incredible ignorance. What you're saying is the we puny humans can change how the universe actually works. :roflmao:
What that has to do with anything other than satisfying your deluded fantasies is baffling.
What does that have to do with anything? What does that even mean when one describes themselves as "spiritual"?
No, they are grouped together because they don't hold or embrace beliefs in gods or religions. They have come to realization that your God or any other god purported to exist is no more relevant than the gods of yore, Zeus, Thor, etc.
And, until you can define what you what you're talking about in regards to "spiritual" and back it up with data, your point is entirely moot.
Statistics, in the sense of data showing how many people don't believe in gods or the dogma of religions, those kind of statistics? Are you serious?
If Einstein were alive today, he would be standing next to and supporting guys like Dawkins and Harris.
Kathleen Vohs is the winner of the Free Will Essay Prize from Templeton for a forthcoming piece in Scientific American.
Oh my god, Templeton…imagine that.
And it seems that Jonathan Schooler has had his share of replicability problems.
But while Schooler was publishing these results in highly reputable journals, a secret worry gnawed at him: it was proving difficult to replicate his earlier findings. “I’d often still see an effect, but the effect just wouldn’t be as strong,” he told me. “It was as if verbal overshadowing, my big new idea, was getting weaker.” At first, he assumed that he’d made an error in experimental design or a statistical miscalculation. But he couldn’t find anything wrong with his research. He then concluded that his initial batch of research subjects must have been unusually susceptible to verbal overshadowing. (John Davis, similarly, has speculated that part of the drop-off in the effectiveness of antipsychotics can be attributed to using subjects who suffer from milder forms of psychosis which are less likely to show dramatic improvement.) “It wasn’t a very satisfying explanation,” Schooler says. “One of my mentors told me that my real mistake was trying to replicate my work. He told me doing that was just setting myself up for disappointment.” Schooler tried to put the problem out of his mind; his colleagues assured him that such things happened all the time.
THE TRUTH WEARS OFF
Are you a Mormon, Syne?
It would bring to society the lack of belief in gods and the dogma of religions, hence the eradication of decisions made based on a belief in gods and the dogma of religions. The current situation with the Republican Tea Party idiots is a perfect example.
It was mentioned that although a group of Republicans were very serious about going to the White House and discussing the current government shutdown with the President, they were shocked to find the when they got there, the President was still black.
Of course you don't see anything, you're a believer. That is the problem. You're unable to think for yourself and make decisions not based on your belief in medieval myths and superstitions. You're incapable of distinguishing reality from fantasy. You've been taught to ignore or deny the facts and evidence of the world around you.
In other words, you should never be allowed to make decisions that affect societies.
That completely defies reality and what we all observe. Believers constantly shift their burdens of responsibility onto their magical entities, if something good happens, it was God, if something bad happens, it was Satan. If they want anything to happen, they sit down and pray and wish it to come true.
I certainly wouldn't pay two cents for that drivel.
You can thank religions for that.
I agree, ignorance and superstition will probably win in the end. Maintaining an educational infrastructure is difficult and expensive.
Can't really do anything? You must be unaware of the major medical advances of the last few decades. When I was a child, cancer was a death sentence. But now, I know many survivors. (Just one of many examples.)
Luckily, nature is not limited by your lack of imagination.