Iran trys to get holland to ban dutch mp's film about the "violence provoking koran"

norsefire said:
Yes, physically, but like alot of things, they hold a meaning to people. For instance, the original Cross is only a piece of wood, but if you burn it that would be an absolutely tragic loss.
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I've burned lots of copies of it, though. The Klan used to burn copies often - still does occasionally. I hit a copy once with a lawn mower. If you make a movie featuring a burning cross, no one will kill you out of outrage and insult.

As adults, most Western Christians have developed the capability to distinguish between irreplaceable and unique objects of reverence, and cheap mass-produced copies of them used as movie props.

SAM said:
Is that why they banned Mein Kampf?
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Hmmm. Could be. Unique situation of vulnerability, there.
SAM said:
And clearly, immigrants who are targeted for their religious beliefs are socially vulnerable groups, since this affects not only their assimilation but also their employment and integration into the existing community.
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Affects it how ? By giving them an opportunity to assimilate, a concrete event to handle in a new way in the new country ?

And a penalty for screwing that up - - again ?
 
Norsefire said:
Yes, physically, but like alot of things, they hold a meaning to people. For instance, the original Cross is only a piece of wood, but if you burn it that would be an absolutely tragic loss.
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So what? It's a book. It can easily be replaced.

Clearly, destroying ancient relics is by far and away totally different than destroying a book that is printed every 30 seconds.
 
Q i find it highly amusing that your critizing anger over burning the Koran while there is a proposal to ban flag burning in the US
 
iceaura said:
As adults, most Western Christians have developed the capability to distinguish between irreplaceable and unique objects of reverence, and cheap mass-produced copies of them used as movie props.
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That explains why they were protecting all the unique objet d'arts in Iraq, don't it? Also why they built a military base on Babylon. Bet even the precision guided weapons duck all the irreplaceable and unique objects. Not to mention all the unique and irreplaceable people treated with such reverence in the detention camps. All that reverence. :puke:
Hmmm. Could be. Unique situation of vulnerability, there.
Affects it how ? By giving them an opportunity to assimilate, a concrete event to handle in a new way in the new country ?

And a penalty for screwing that up - - again ?
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And ridiculing their beliefs certainly helps them assimilate faster, especially the ones who don't have anything to do with the violence. Like the reeducation camps that ridiculed native Americans.
 
Asguard said:
Q i find it highly amusing that your critizing anger over burning the Koran while there is a proposal to ban flag burning in the US
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No, I'm criticizing the violence Muslims think they have every right to engage whenever they feel it necessary. And you know that.
 
(Q) said:
No, I'm criticizing the violence Muslims think they have every right to engage whenever they feel it necessary. And you know that.
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Yeah lookit how they are carpet bombing civilians and air bombing populated cities FOR NO REASON.
 
Muslims or some Muslims? There are over a billion in the world. The majority dont even know about this film. The majority do not riot or take to violence. Careful now, generalizations area logical fallacy which will render your argument void.
 
Q there were big PEACEFULL anti US protests a few years ago (cant rember where they were or what they were over). I SPECIFICALLY rember this one southen nutcase (no it wasnt bush) being interviewed. He said "we should just shoot them if they want to burn our flag"

I wouldnt critise muslims until you can control texas
 
Asguard said:
Q there were big PEACEFULL anti US protests a few years ago (cant rember where they were or what they were over). I SPECIFICALLY rember this one southen nutcase (no it wasnt bush) being interviewed. He said "we should just shoot them if they want to burn our flag"

I wouldnt critise muslims until you can control texas
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I am and have every right to criticize Muslims for the violence they believe is justified by their religion. That is what this thread is about. If you want to talk Texas, then make another thread.

In the meantime, you haven't a leg to stand on. Simple really. :)
 
of course i dont, when you suggest that anything not saying "muslims are evil" is offtopic then i would lose a debat. Of course doing that loses you the debate by defult because its academically dishonest and you know it
 
(Q) said:
Troll.
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/frothing at the mouth

All those violent Moslems.

Occupying countries, thousands of bombing raids, hundreds of thousands of pounds of bombs, missiles, air raids, cluster bombs, millions displaced, millions killed.


Arrrrggggggghhhhhhh!

Help, the Muslims, the violent Muslims.:runaway:
 
Asguard said:
of course i dont, when you suggest that anything not saying "muslims are evil" is offtopic then i would lose a debat. Of course doing that loses you the debate by defult because its academically dishonest and you know it
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Sure, and when you run across that "muslims are evil" give me a call.

Meanwhile, you're fading fast on this one. :D
 
S.A.M.
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Waaaaay too much time here, sam.
 
SAM said:
That explains why they were protecting all the unique objet d'arts in Iraq, don't it? Also why they built a military base on Babylon. Bet even the precision guided weapons duck all the irreplaceable and unique objects. Not to mention all the unique and irreplaceable people treated with such reverence in the detention camps. All that reverence
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They can tell the difference. They don't necessarily care.

War is hell.

If the immigrant Muslims ever go to war with the Danes, I promise not to criticise their killing of movie directors and rioting over perceived insults in movies and cartoons on the grounds of free expression.

Although the fact that the US military had to come up with a bunch of excuses and lies sort of indicates that they do care. Do we see Muslims lying about their motives, concealing their outrage and violent responses because they are ashamed of them, or fearful that their fellow believers will ostracize, even prosecute, them ?

Baby steps, SAM: we're dealing with a bunch of Muslims who haven't got to the "tell the difference" stage yet. Some of them right here on this forum.
 
Asguard said:
Q i find it highly amusing that your critizing anger over burning the Koran while there is a proposal to ban flag burning in the US
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All attempts to criminalize burning the U.S. flag have failed. It has been ruled unconstitutional; this leaves a constitutional amendment as the only way to "protect" the flag. There is virtually no chance of this happening. This is a plus for those who want the vote of the narrow minded, because they can grandstand about protecting the flag, knowing full well they cannot do anything of the sort

Here is a great example of what Christians have to tolerate. Christianity is stupid by Negativland (never mind the video, which is Fritz Lang's Metropolis, and has nothing to do with what was once a popular college radio song).
 
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iceaura said:
I've burned lots of copies of it, though. The Klan used to burn copies often - still does occasionally. I hit a copy once with a lawn mower. If you make a movie featuring a burning cross, no one will kill you out of outrage and insult.

As adults, most Western Christians have developed the capability to distinguish between irreplaceable and unique objects of reverence, and cheap mass-produced copies of them used as movie props.
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Copies of it and the ORIGINAL Cross are not the same.

The problem is that the cross-burning symbolizes hatred. And while that may not be justification for physical violence, I believe anyone who is trying to convey a message of hatred and ignorance and lies, should be prosecuted under just that, hate-speech.

Again, criticism and hate-speech are not the same.
 
(Q) said:
So what? It's a book. It can easily be replaced.

Clearly, destroying ancient relics is by far and away totally different than destroying a book that is printed every 30 seconds.
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The problem, as stated before, isn't the actual physical book being destroyed, but the symbolism behind that.
 
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