duendy said:
Ah, would that be the
.. talking duendy?
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Ah, would that be the
.. talking duendy?
(throws arms up in te air in shcock awe and horror)....like i dine know LSD was a chemical. at least i have had IT PHLO-GENIUS...
annnd as usual, your clever-head gotten ahead of itself prusuumin
so to explain. yes i am very aware that one can imbibe chemicals to change consciousness. such as ciggies, cannbis, aspirin, wine, food, chocolate, sugar. coffee, alcohol, and psychedelics. this we know.
but this doesn't mean to see that consciousness is PRODUCED BY chemicals.
annnd as usual, your clever-head gotten ahead of itself prusuumin
so to explain. yes i am very aware that one can imbibe chemicals to change consciousness. such as ciggies, cannbis, aspirin, wine, food, chocolate, sugar. coffee, alcohol, and psychedelics. this we know.
but this doesn't mean to see that consciousness is PRODUCED BY chemicals.
Guys...try some DMT or Psilocybe mushrooms. Kick the LSD.
Treat it as a spiritual journey or quest and you will discover. Just mess around and get messy results. Either way, there's more to life than questioning and analysing since this can only involve our intellect. Our intellect is limited, but our feelings are infinite, they cannot be spoken or explained to the extent that they deserve.
It obviously cannot be that creation itself thought, " oh, let's just put that here and that there...."
It is an expression, an expression of itself.
Treat it as a spiritual journey or quest and you will discover. Just mess around and get messy results. Either way, there's more to life than questioning and analysing since this can only involve our intellect. Our intellect is limited, but our feelings are infinite, they cannot be spoken or explained to the extent that they deserve.
It obviously cannot be that creation itself thought, " oh, let's just put that here and that there...."
It is an expression, an expression of itself.
you have misunderstood soemwhat leo...leopold99 said:
maybe my typo
let me make it clearer then. YES, taking chemicals DOES change consciousness--ie., food, coffeee, alcohol, tea, ciggies, sugar, ...and activities and emotions like love, hate, sex, etc....this is so
but because taking certain chemicals does change consciousness and certain emoions etc. tis does NOT man that chemicals and activities PRODUCE consciousness. what consciousness IS is unknown. mateialist ideology will claim consciousness is an epiphenomenon of complex matter. but tis is only theory. and there is the 'Hard Problem' (David Chalmers)--which exlores SUBJECTIVE consciousness
so summarizing. yes chemicals, emotions, a blow to the head, and brain disease--as in REAL disease, not what te mental health myth claimsis brain disease--all Do for sure change consciousness. But this doesn't mean they PRODUCE consciousness
From experience I would say that a drug induced altered reality is actually lower and slows down the progression of conciousness. You will be a million times better if you never try drugs. Maybe in a million years the drugs will enable progression but the drugs avaliable today only lower it.
yes leopold, you control your chemicals by controlling your consciousness.
LeeDa, I don't know, it definitely sped mine up. DMT is in your brain right now, it is in most, if not all living things. If you've been through a relentless conditioning program since birth as most of us have, drugs can fix it quickly.
LeeDa, I don't know, it definitely sped mine up. DMT is in your brain right now, it is in most, if not all living things. If you've been through a relentless conditioning program since birth as most of us have, drugs can fix it quickly.
leopold99 said:
Your confusing 'affecting' with 'producing' which are not the same
"If the matter of the brain (neurons, molecules, atoms, etc) is WHOLLY insentient (without the slightest trace of consciousness) then how is it possible that such matter could 'produce' an ENTIRELY NEW from of existence? namely the SUBJECTIVITY of consciousness?"
(Christian de Quincey--private communication)
ahhaha of course. but this doesn't mean chemcals PRODUCE consciousness.....leopold99 said:
what we got. we have matter-energy, matter energy will include ALL forms of matter-energy INCLUDING atoms, quarks, and checmicals.
qnd we have consciousness. although they--matter-energy and consciousness are ALWYS togther yet they are distinct. consciousness isn't 'IN' matter-energy like say brain is in te skull, rather consciousness is how matter-energy feels inside
so i dont know hwy you persist wit this. i sense you are trying to claim tat chemicals someway produce consciousness, as in epiphemononalism. is that right?....
we believe rathe brain is like a transFORMER OF consciousness. NOT a producer
