I saw my first alien/secret government anti gravity craft

[imaplanck.]

About the lightspeed barrier, personally i think its similar to the earth is flat theory in that one day it was discovered to be false.

Yes but that is because you are uneducated in relativity. There was zero evidence for the world being flat, there is mounting of evidence to support e=ym0^2.

But even if this is the case there 2 theories(maybe more but 2 technology based methods to my knowledge) of other ways to travel which bypass this barrier(wormholes, and changing the vibratory frequency of the craft to the point where it and its occupants change states, from material to energetic). I may not be wording that correctly, but from what ive read this changing to pure energy form exits you out of time therefore you are not limited by physic's "laws".

Yes but wormholes have not been proven to exist or be possible to construct. I dont know about the second one, but wasnt it the plot to a movie or something?

An alternate theory.... Maybe the highest or most powerful transportation methods arent even technology based, you see the pictures of the huge headed aliens right? perhaps it is mental powers which they travel by(instantaneous teleportation) Jesus is quoted as saying something like "Do ye not know ye are Gods?" and "All these wonders i do, you will do and even greater things" those are paraphrased but it gets my point across.
Peace

Youre just wetting your pants embarrassing yourself now.

 

[tablariddim]

This is in reference to this quote: changing the vibratory frequency of the craft to the point where it and its occupants change states, from material to energetic

Once, I tried to visualise what I would see as a passenger in a time craft as it was taking off. I started by looking at some people on the ground waving us off and then, instantaneously, all I could see were atoms floating about freely. The atoms were about the size of a car as perceived in my vision, which means that even I had become atomised, or pure energy.

At the time, I had a fever, was taking anti-biotics and had smoked some nice tree. However, I do believe I had an inspired insight into what may indeed happen were I able to travel in time or cross vast distances in space in a short time.

 

[barehandkiller]

Youre just wetting your pants embarrassing yourself now.

Why should i be embarassed for talking about hypothetical alien transport methods? They could be out there doing the exact things i describe right this instant. I think maybe you should research the latest quantam mechanics leading edge research.
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0009023
More and more scientists are thinking there are ways to get from point a to point b in less time than the speed of light takes to travel the same distance.

 

[imaplanck.]

Why should i be embarassed for talking about hypothetical alien transport methods? They could be out there doing the exact things i describe right this instant. .

What has QM got to do with instant telepathic travel and Jesus quotes?

More and more scientists are thinking there are ways to get from point a to point b in less time than the speed of light takes to travel the same distance.

No more and more scientists are coming up with hypotheses. If they actually had experimental evidence to test these it would be major news. You see your problem is you haven't the first clue as to the cavernous difference between what is evidential and what is merely a possibility.

 

[barehandkiller]

What has QM got to do with instant telepathic travel and Jesus quotes?





No more and more scientists are coming up with hypotheses. If they actually had experimental evidence to test these it would be major news. You see your problem is you haven't the first clue as to the cavernous difference between what is evidential and what is merely a possibility.

Im pretty sure Einstien thought FLT was possible but didnt want to stake his Rep on a claim which would be so powerfully be denied.
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=550
Or second guessed himself*

 

[(Q)]

You dont think that in a possibly infinite universe there are beings out there much more advanced than us(able to travel here even)? Why not if so?

I continually entertain the thought of more advanced beings, within our very galaxy, no less. The possibility of life bearing planets is high, imo, and there may very well be intelligent life forms there, but intelligence is simply another branch of evolution, so we'd not only assume other beings may have evolved intelligence, but at what level and magnitude as well.

They could just as easily be at the level of intelligence as our early hominids as so highly advanced to have broken the laws of physics to tarry hither and thither amongst the stars.

Regardless, one simply doesn't jump to the conclusion something they see but can barely make out is an alien/secret government anti-gravity craft.

 

[(Q)]

About the lightspeed barrier, personally i think ... it gets my point across.

The only point you're getting across is thinking that science fiction is real.

To be confined within physical laws, roughly speaking, is where the properties of something will only support the properties of something else to a degree. One simply can't invent technology from those things which are bound by physical laws to go beyond the capabilities of those very same physical laws.

For example, the properties of spacetime will only support the properties of electromagnetic radiation at c and not beyond. We can't simply rid ourselves of that lack of support beyond c even for massless particles, let alone massive objects such as alien/secret government anti-gravity crafts.

 

[barehandkiller]

Massive in size yet if the anti gravity works they would be massless. therefore possibly acting in ways similar to massless particles? The only difference is size if both are without weight i would think.

 

[(Q)]

Massive in size yet if the anti gravity works they would be massless. therefore possibly acting in ways similar to massless particles? The only difference is size if both are without weight i would think.

Again, science fiction isn't reality. Applying anti-gravity to make massive objects massless doesn't make sense.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

Im pretty sure Einstien thought FLT was possible but didnt want to stake his Rep on a claim which would be so powerfully be denied.
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=550
Or second guessed himself*

Ermmm.... bhk? Light is pure energy and it has a finite speed - it's kind of the whole point about why people whitter on about the speed of light all the time. To make a vessel move takes energy - but if energy itself can only travel at the speed of light how either on Earth, or off it for that matter, is one supposed to get energy to propell a vessel faster than energy itself remains capable of travelling to begin with?

FLT is a nonsense in this regard. What Einstein posits is the provision for possible realistic means of travel - travelling through space in such a fashion as if travelling faster than the speed of light but physically not travelling anywhere near as fast as one would assume - not bogus bollocks concerning "anti-gravity" and the rest of that happy UFO crap.

Just try looking at an actual physics book - start with just the cover, work on from there.... Nothing too taxing.

Oh wait, I'm forgetting. You're one of those sorts who just knows things, aren't you?

 

[barehandkiller]

What im saying is the theory is the closer you get to the speed of light mass starts multiplying to infinite? Well if the object starts out with 0 weight(my dictionary lists this as definition of mass("the quantity of matter as determined from its weight")) Well what happens when you mulptiple anything by 0? You get 0, therefore no extra energy should be required to push you up to the speed of light(even if you cant pass it). And if massless particles can pass the speed of light somehow why cant a massless craft in the vacuum of space? Im no scientist i know that but this seems logical to me /shrug
Peace

 

[barehandkiller]

Ermmm.... bhk? Light is pure energy and it has a finite speed - it's kind of the whole point about why people whitter on about the speed of light all the time. To make a vessel move takes energy - but if energy itself can only travel at the speed of light how either on Earth, or off it for that matter, is one supposed to get energy to propell a vessel faster than energy itself remains capable of travelling to begin with?

FLT is a nonsense in this regard. What Einstein posits is the provision for possible realistic means of travel - travelling through space in such a fashion as if travelling faster than the speed of light but physically not travelling anywhere near as fast as one would assume - not bogus bollocks concerning "anti-gravity" and the rest of that happy UFO crap.

Just try looking at an actual physics book - start with just the cover, work on from there.... Nothing too taxing.

Oh wait, I'm forgetting. You're one of those sorts who just knows things, aren't you?

There are different forms of light energy which have varying vibrational density. From what i read people who can have OBE at will travel instantaneously, i think that if we were evolved enough to be able to communicate telepathically it would be instantaneous as well, thoughts vibrate out of us like ripples in a pond. Isnt there some theory about particles quantum fluxing and having the possibilty of being everywhere at once? or something?...
Peace

 

[(Q)]

What im saying is the theory is the closer you get to the speed of light mass starts multiplying to infinite?

Nope. Mass requires huge amounts of energy to accelerate it towards the speed of light and infinite energy to get almost there.

Well if the object starts out with 0 weight(my dictionary lists this as definition of mass("the quantity of matter as determined from its weight")) Well what happens when you mulptiple anything by 0?

Mass does not start out at 0 weight.

You get 0, therefore no extra energy should be required to push you up to the speed of light(even if you cant pass it).

Nope. See above.

And if massless particles can pass the speed of light somehow why cant a massless craft in the vacuum of space?

Massless particles move at the speed of light, no more.

 

[barehandkiller]

About the "just knowing things" thing... i would say that i do listen to my intuition when i get a strong tug. But i try to be carefull about what i believe, i try to keep my knowledge structure flexible and absorbent in case i run across new info which fits the big picture of everything combined better than my previous info. Its an evolving process, and no i think i'll skip the science brainwashing hehe, its as bad as religion in some ways, i prefer to float about unfettered by constraints in most cases.
Peace

 

[(Q)]

There are different forms of light energy which have varying vibrational density.

Gibberish.

From what i read people who can have OBE at will travel instantaneously, i think that if we were evolved enough to be able to communicate telepathically it would be instantaneous as well, thoughts vibrate out of us like ripples in a pond.

Gobbledegook.

 

[(Q)]

About the "just knowing things" thing... i would say that i do listen to my intuition when i get a strong tug. But i try to be carefull about what i believe, i try to keep my knowledge structure flexible and absorbent in case i run across new info which fits the big picture of everything combined better than my previous info. Its an evolving process, and no i think i'll skip the science brainwashing hehe, its as bad as religion in some ways, i prefer to float about unfettered by constraints in most cases.
Peace

In other words, you prefer to follow your fantasies?

 

[barehandkiller]

Nope. Mass requires huge amounts of energy to accelerate it towards the speed of light and infinite energy to get almost there.



Mass does not start out at 0 weight.



Nope. See above.



Massless particles move at the speed of light, no more.

Mass may not start out as 0 weight but you add in anti gravity and whalaa

 

[barehandkiller]

In other words, you prefer to follow your fantasies?

I would rather ponder future possibilities than present limitations...

 

[(Q)]

Mass may not start out as 0 weight but you add in anti gravity and whalaa

And the anti-gravity comes from where whalaa?

 

[(Q)]

Originally Posted by (Q)
In other words, you prefer to follow your fantasies?

I would rather ponder future possibilities than present limitations...

Yes, that's what I said...