Horus--Jesus--Buddha, same origin??
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Three times now. I suppose it shows its an interesting topic.How about Sinusitis? what did he have to say about this?
Heh? No, we have quite a bit of information from Egyptian records: inscriptions, papyrus scrolls, writings by foreign observers and occupiers.
And in none of them is Horus portrayed as the messianic son of a virgin or any other nonsense spread by the Zeitgeist "movie".
Xianity didn't just spring out of the ground.
Page 75
"The Secret Lore of Egypt: its impact on the West",
Erik Hornung, Translated by David Lorton,
Cornell University Press, 2001, ISBN 0801438470
An amulet was found depicting Christ on one side and Shed (in the form of Horus) on the reverse.
The newer built on the older, what's so hard to get?
What I want to know is how many Jewish beliefs are based in Christianity. Which while this seems odd, most certainly did happen.
Now THAT is interesting.
Page 75
"The Secret Lore of Egypt: its impact on the West",
Erik Hornung, Translated by David Lorton,
Cornell University Press, 2001, ISBN 0801438470
An amulet was found depicting Christ on one side and Shed (in the form of Horus) on the reverse.
The newer built on the older, what's so hard to get?
What I want to know is how many Jewish beliefs are based in Christianity. Which while this seems odd, most certainly did happen.
Now THAT is interesting.
i agree that Zeitgeist is BS and merely entertainment that appeals to a specific segment of society. the thing that i have issues with is how much of what we do know, that is considered mainstream, is conjecture.
The Horus(or more likely general Egyptian influences)/Jesus link is a greater possibility. Certainly the Jews were supposedly Eyptian slaves for a while and their kindom was right next to, or part of Egypt for hundreds of years so there is bound to be cross over influences.
It can be argued that they got their monotheism from Aten even.
It can be argued that they got their monotheism from Aten even.
Only if you consider monotheism a minimal aspect of xtianity. Certainly they have trouble with the concept.
Atenism's influence on Judaism is huge, yeah. But it's direct influence on Christianity is minimal; it mostly influences Christianity via Judaism.
In any case, Atenism being involved with Jewish monotheism doesn't indicate traditional Egyptian mythology influencing it. If anything, it means the complete opposite, since Atenism was entirely antithetical to Egyptian orthodoxy, intending to replace with with monist or monotheistic sun-worship.
In any case, Atenism being involved with Jewish monotheism doesn't indicate traditional Egyptian mythology influencing it. If anything, it means the complete opposite, since Atenism was entirely antithetical to Egyptian orthodoxy, intending to replace with with monist or monotheistic sun-worship.
Jesus, was associate with similar miracles to Horus (like walking on water).
Moise, was probably an important priest in Egypt and is believed to have been the son of the Pharaon. And a little before him, Nefertiti succeed installing the first monotheism religion, but was overpowers by the priest after a while and polytheism was installed once more. So Moise, flew with the Jews, on mount Sinai, to claim belief in one god! His name was derive from the god Dionysos (son of Zeus and also known as Zagreus outside Greece), who was also worship at mount Nyssa (today Sinai) so to call his "new god" Jehova-russi (or. Lao-nisi for again Dionisi.
For reference too, Osiris, Zagreus or Bacchus were born on mount Sinai which was called by the Egyptians Mount Nissa, the brazen serpent was a nis... And the month of Jewish passover is Nisan... Any similarities here you think?
To make things worst, the origin of Dionysos was from India and probably Sivaic or Buddhistical as Core and persophoneia was but the goddess Parasu-pani or Bhavani the patroness of the thugs called also Goree. Actually the whole story of Orpheus ring Indian in origin since the start, so it is also likely to derived from India...
Moise, was probably an important priest in Egypt and is believed to have been the son of the Pharaon. And a little before him, Nefertiti succeed installing the first monotheism religion, but was overpowers by the priest after a while and polytheism was installed once more. So Moise, flew with the Jews, on mount Sinai, to claim belief in one god! His name was derive from the god Dionysos (son of Zeus and also known as Zagreus outside Greece), who was also worship at mount Nyssa (today Sinai) so to call his "new god" Jehova-russi (or. Lao-nisi for again Dionisi.
For reference too, Osiris, Zagreus or Bacchus were born on mount Sinai which was called by the Egyptians Mount Nissa, the brazen serpent was a nis... And the month of Jewish passover is Nisan... Any similarities here you think?
To make things worst, the origin of Dionysos was from India and probably Sivaic or Buddhistical as Core and persophoneia was but the goddess Parasu-pani or Bhavani the patroness of the thugs called also Goree. Actually the whole story of Orpheus ring Indian in origin since the start, so it is also likely to derived from India...
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There is a great deal of mythology surrounding Horus, some of it seems somewhat similar to the elements of the Jesus story. There are sites that pick on those particlulars and assert they are the same, but Horus is a lot more complex.
Did the Jesus myth writers borrow some of those elements? It seems likely but the similarities are not as exacting as some would suggest.
Is Jesus a myth? The inconsistencies and the direct contradictions in the gospel stories and the lateness of their writings, some decades after his aledged existence and the fact that there is no direct independent evidence from his time, suggest that he is mostly or entirely myth. Note that even today with our high tech audio/visual reporting capabilities we often get things wrong about events 50 years ago. The word of mouth reporting of some 2000 years ago, with a 50 years break, were likely to have been signficantly less reliable.
Did the Jesus myth writers borrow some of those elements? It seems likely but the similarities are not as exacting as some would suggest.
Is Jesus a myth? The inconsistencies and the direct contradictions in the gospel stories and the lateness of their writings, some decades after his aledged existence and the fact that there is no direct independent evidence from his time, suggest that he is mostly or entirely myth. Note that even today with our high tech audio/visual reporting capabilities we often get things wrong about events 50 years ago. The word of mouth reporting of some 2000 years ago, with a 50 years break, were likely to have been signficantly less reliable.
Fair enough.
Atenism's monotheistic aspect was antithetical, but all the rest of it had roots in the orthadoxy, even aten.
If Judaism managed to live in Egypt's shadow for what? Upwards of a thousand years? And didn't absorb anything, that would be amazing.