Holocaust Remembrance Day

Aaah and I said its a hypocrisy, but to be fair Israel is not murdering innocent people, not in any systematic nature that is. Also Israel does not use the holocaust as an excuse but rather as a means to get pity.

I beg to disagree

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http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp
 

First of all one news article from a bias source does not make a genocide, nor does some Griffiti make a government policy (I would think the israeli government could pay for some full color posters) like this:
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Show me the gas chambers and massively plummeting palestinian population as they are rounded up and shoot in droves, show me the palestinian's being worked to death. This is an apartheid not a genocide until the world recognizes that its never going to be corrected.
 
It is still hypocracy. Murdering people is evil, murdering thousands of people is still more evil, but the most evil is to use your tragedy as an excuse to murder innocent people.

What was the problem with European Jews? They didn't recognize the mortal threat early enough and take violent action as necessary to avoid it. Clearly they are correcting their past mistakes.
 
Well documented? A well-documented case will not be promoted by sanctions and threats, unless you have something to hide that is.
I can name more than one historian and thinker who have come under threat and ban because of them questioning the reality or the figures of the Holocaust, you people immediately badge them as antisemites. In my opinion the question is not whether the holocaust is real or not, the real tragedy is that it formed a pretext for the jews to create their own genocides in more than one place.

an im sure the same historians question other events in history that are not related to jews.
 
There are two different things you want to mix by immediately marking me as an antisemite. This is wrong!The first one is that I sincerely question the holocaust because I have spent some time reading some sources (reliable to me) who doubt its reality; and I do not accept any discussion and criticism on the matter being banned, while other similar cases are not referred to as holocaust (like the fate of the american indians in the hands of the Europeans, the case of Algeria, etc.). It seems the term holocaust has turned into a weapon which serves the benefits of certain interest groups.
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now you know why there is holocaust remembrance day, so that morons who question it will have a chance to educate themselves about recent history.
 
and palestinians have expressed their feelings about israelis being murdered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONkriiiiy0U

The day you stop occupying their motherland and recognize their natural rights to their land the violence will stop. Until then any kind of resistence is legitimate as it was during the WWII. Let's not forget that the Paslestinians do not posses planes, gunboats and guided missiles, and are not armed by the U.S. with billions of dollars of free weaponry each year, so they are trying to take their land back with whatever power they have.
 
First of all one news article from a bias source does not make a genocide, nor does some Griffiti make a government policy (I would think the israeli government could pay for some full color posters) like this:


Show me the gas chambers and massively plummeting palestinian population as they are rounded up and shoot in droves, show me the palestinian's being worked to death. This is an apartheid not a genocide until the world recognizes that its never going to be corrected.

I hardly think ex-IDF soldiers can be considered a biased source. :rolleyes:

And I'm not expecting any part of the world to "recognise" the plight of the Palestinians, especially not the parts that are funding the genocide and created the situation in the first place.
 
Aaah and I said its a hypocrisy, but to be fair Israel is not murdering innocent people, not in any systematic nature that is. Also Israel does not use the holocaust as an excuse but rather as a means to get pity.

What Israel is doing is a gradual and systematic procedure to exterminate the Palestininan population of Palestine or make them so much outnumbdered by the jews (through the continued immigration of foreign jews to Palestine and forcible expulsion of the natives) that they can not raise a voice of objection. It may not be murdering in the extent Hitler was doing, but they sure have developed more effective tactics than the Nazis. It is a very pervasive strategy that aims at putting the palestininans in an unliveable state so they are either unwillingly or forcibly leaving their homeland or get stifled. I hear many pro-Israelis call on the Palestinian population to be distributed to their neighouriing Arab countries. That's a shame!
 
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It's a tried and ancient practice that their ancestors in the region witnessed first-hand.
 
What Israel is doing is a gradual and systematic procedure to exterminate the Palestininan population of Palestine or make them so much outnumbdered by the jews (through the continued immigration of foreign jews to Palestine and forcible expulsion of the natives) that they can not raise a voice of objection. It may not be murdering in the extent Hitler was doing, but they sure have developed more effective tactics than the Nazis. It is a very pervasive strategy that aims at putting the palestininans in an unliveable state so they are either unwillingly or forcibly leaving their homeland or get stifled. I hear many pro-Israelis call on the Palestinian population to be distributed to their neighouriing Arab countries. That's a shame!

...and that explains Palestinian positive population growth, how? I would think that if israel were indirectly killing off or at the very least forcing out the Palestininan their population growth would be negative or at least lower then Israel's, in fact it is the opposite, Palestine has a population growth of 2.9-3.7, while Israel has a growth is 1.15%, of which arab Israelis are growing faster then jewish Israelis!
 
I hardly think ex-IDF soldiers can be considered a biased source. :rolleyes:

And I'm not expecting any part of the world to "recognise" the plight of the Palestinians, especially not the parts that are funding the genocide and created the situation in the first place.

Anyone with a motive in the issue is bias. There is no genocide, show me the massive population drop? the piles of corpses? I asked repeatedly now.
 
And I'm not expecting any part of the world to "recognise" the plight of the Palestinians. . . .
I think an increasingly large segment of the world population is doing just that. Americans are a litmus test because most Americans don't like Muslims very much after 9/11, and even here people are getting fed up with Israel's policy toward Palestine and its people. Fraggle Rocker's First Rule of Civilization, "You don't get to kill people no matter how much you hate them," is becoming a visible motif in world politics. After all, these same Americans are getting fed up with our own government killing Iraqis, and they're members of that group that's not very popular over here.
. . . . especially not the parts that are funding the genocide and created the situation in the first place.
"Genocide" is the systematic killing of an entire ethnic or national group. Despite the asshole in the Israeli government who talked about a Shoah against the Palestinians, judging from the Israelis I've talked with, the citizenry, angry as they are, would not stand for anything close to that, for the very reason that it would be a shoah. The Diaspora Jews, as a community, would be even less sanguine about it than the Israelis. They believe God is angry enough at them already and anti-Israel sentiment among American Jews is growing, for making him even angrier.

People who write graffiti on walls that don't belong to them are, by definition, assholes. If you judge an entire nation by its graffiti you're assuming that the assholes are in charge.
 
It's a tried and ancient practice that their ancestors in the region witnessed first-hand.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean jews were subjected to extermination in the middle east? I want to remind you it was the SUPERIOR western civilization that introduced oppression to the Jews; other than that they were living in peace with other religions in the Mid-East.
 
What do you mean by that? Do you mean jews were subjected to extermination in the middle east? I want to remind you it was the SUPERIOR western civilization that introduced oppression to the Jews; other than that they were living in peace with other religions in the Mid-East.

aaaaaah, no the west only introduced efficient mass genocide, oppression of the jews has been going on since ancient egypt. And Peace neither, the land of Israel and Palestine has been a cesspool of fighting sense the dawn of time.
 

I'm sure you do not read the articles you post the links to as reference here.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism
Scholars like Claude Cahen and Shelomo Dov Goitein define antisemitism as the animosity specifically applied to Jews only. Accordingly, antisemitism would not include discrimination practiced against non-Muslims in general.[1][2][3] For these scholars, antisemitism in Medieval Islam has been local and sporadic rather than general and endemic Shelomo Dov Goitein,[1] not at all present Claude Cahen,[2] or rarely present....[3]

I also suggest you study "Dhimmi" instead mof dhimmitude which is a recent invention. You should especially read about what the prophet Muhammed (PBUH) said about the dhimmis (the people under a pact of protection):

Hadith

The following principle was established in the form of Muhammad's saying: He who wrongs a Jew or a Christian will have myself as his accuser on the day of judgment.[35] Bernard Lewis cites a hadith "One who kills a man under covenant will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise", as a foundation for the protection of the People of the Book in Muslim-ruled countries, but his view is that the position of dhimmis was in general insecure.[36] Majid Khadduri cites a similar hadith in regard to the status of the Dhimmis: Whoever wrongs one with whom a compact has been made [i.e., a dhimmi] and lays on him a burden beyond his strength, I will be his accuser.[37]
 
You stopped at the first paragraph.

According to Bernard Lewis,[4] while Muslims held negative stereotypes regarding Jews, these stereotypes were not indicative of antisemitism because, unlike Christians, Muslims viewed Jews as objects of ridicule, not fear, as Muslims did not attribute "cosmic evil" to Jews.[5] In his view, in the late nineteenth century movements first appear among Muslims that can legitimately be described as antisemitic.[6]
According to Frederick M. Schweitzer and Marvin Perry, there is an antisemitic infrastructure extant in Islam. They argue that there are negative description of Jews in the Qur'an and Hadith and that Islamic regimes regulated Jews in degrading ways. Nonetheless, they compare Muslim regimes favorably to Christendom. For example, they say that Jews were subjected to polemics, persecutions and massacres far less under Muslim than Christian rule.[7]

Less =/= zero, besides being debatable. Mohammed seems to have had other thoughts about dhimmis later on.
 
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