Hitting a woman

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apendrapew

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For most people that statement creates a positive and absolute emotional response as it should, but does applying logic to womanbeating mean betraying yourself and human protocol?

Here's what it's like. I was at my ex-girlfriend's (we'll call her Karen) birthday party yesterday. She had been my ex for about 4 years. There was me, her, her boyfriend (Mark) whom she'd been dating for 3 years or so, and a bunch of friends.

Everyone was having a blast until about 11:00. Out of the corner of my eye I saw Mark and Karen fighting and I got a vague impression that he hit her (I was drunk and a bit high). Then all the guy witnesses, myself included, went over and broke it up. Mark's cousin mentioned, "I lost all respect for him now. You just don't hit a woman"

Mark was pissed off. "You've never seen all the times she had been smacking me around."

After taking everything into consideration, I find myself in an uncomfortable place. From what I know, they'd been fighting for a while now. And I know Mark, despite his upbringing, is not a guy who hits women. They'd been in many fights and if anybody did the hitting, it was her hitting him.

After that, she was a basketcase, crying, saying, "It's not his fault, I provoked him."

This time, he open-handed her and people saw it. Didn't even leave a mark. If he actually wanted to hurt her, he could have. That doesn't justify anything. Personally, I would never hit a woman unless I had to.

The point is, looking and understanding the situation in a completely logical way sort of dissolves the cognitive dissonance created out of what Mark did. If a woman hits a man in the face and then that man hits the woman back with an equal amount of pressure and intensity, it's a huge deal. It's emotions. It's just something we have to live with. I'm not a bad person.
 
It's a huge deal. There's no reason to hit a girl, ever.

does applying logic to womanbeating mean betraying yourself and human protocol?
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I don't think you can apply logic to it.
 
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Seriously, when a woman needs hit, you hit her, just like when a child needs hit. It's good for the woman.
 
Xerxes said:
It's a huge deal. There's no reason to hit a girl, ever.
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Not to burst your bubble, but why should your logic apply to females and not males?
 
I'm wondering how I should deal with this. This is a good friend on mine who was hit by another good friend on mine. Should I encourage her to break up with him? It abhors me to see someone I care about engaged in an abusive relationship. I'm.. uh. Don't know.
 
If your relationship is resorting to physical violence on either side I think it's time you sat down and reevaluated the situation. Violence has never helped a situation, and if your with someone who isn't smart enough to understand that, man or women, I'd start looking for someone new.
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We're not dealing with rational people. They know violence doesn't help anything, but both of them are very high-strung reactive types. Very prone to getting caught up in the heat of situations. They should get new partners, but they still love each other a lot and share a lot of history.
 
when I broke up with my last long term girlfriend (relationship of 11 months) because we were arguing too much (and I realised she was bitter and nasty), she got upset and whipped me on the shoulder with her metal watch (band).
It hurt, and I said "your going to have to leave" (my house). I never hit her.

Just goes to show its not always the guys who do the bad shit.
 
It's a huge deal. There's no reason to hit a girl, ever.
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What the hell is that? We are in the intelligence forums.

The following are not allowed:

- Argumentum ad misericordiam (Appeal to Pity)
- Argumentum ad numerum (Appealing to the Majority)
- Argumentum ad populum (Appealing to the Gallery)
- Audiatur et altera pars (Arguing from unstated assumptions)
- Circulus in demonstrando (circular reasoning)
- Petitio principii (Begging the question)
 
What about self-defense?
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I consider self-defense blocking a right hook with your forearm. Why would you ever need to hit her?

Not to burst your bubble, but why should your logic apply to females and not males?
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Because most males, those who deserve to be called that, can take a good slap from a girl and understand what it means:
a) you did something thats beyond words
b) she's crazy and abusive and you need to leave her
c) Its a sign of affection, playfulness (..yes, it happens)

Hitting a girl is almost always the opposite of love and affection. For a girl, it can sometimes be the only way to show her teeth, as guys are generally stronger and louder and more capable of dominating(edit to add: physically). It keeps them on a level playing field with mutual respect; the guy never does it, the girl does it as little as possible kind of like an extra consitutional right and they keep eachother in line this way.
 
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Weezer - Getchoo::
This is beginning to hurt
This is beginning to be serious
It used to be a game
Now it's a crying shame
Cos you don't wanna play around no more

Sometimes I push too hard
Sometimes you fall and skin your knee
I never meant to do
All that I've done to you
Please baby say it's not too late

Getchoo, uh-huh
Getchoo, uh-huh
Getchoo, uh-huh
Getchoo, getchoo, getchoo, uh-huh

You know this is breaking me up
You think that I'm some kind of freak, uh-huh
But if you'd come back to me
Then you would surely see
That I'm just fooling around

Getchoo, uh-huh
Getchoo, uh-huh
Getchoo, uh-huh
Getchoo, getchoo, getchoo, uh-huh

I can't believe (I can't believe)
What you've done to me
What I did do them (What I did do them)
You've done to me

Getchoo, uh-huh
Getchoo, uh-huh
Getchoo, uh-huh
Getchoo, getchoo, getchoo, uh-huh

This is beginning to hurt
This is beginning to hurt
This is beginning to hurt
This is beginning to hurt
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Yup he crossed the line, realizes it and now he's screwed. Words of experience from a talented songwriter
 
A woman's perspective.
I do not believe anyone has the right to hit someone else because they are angry.
In the past I have hit my husband and while he may have really pissed me off, disrespected me and breached our trust I still should not have hit him. When the dust settled and I had time to think about it, I realized that had he hit me back the first time I hit him, I probably would never have done it again. Unfortunately for him, he didn't. (I don't do that anymore)
I honestly believe if a woman hits you first, you have the right to hit her back as long as it's not a full on, with all your strength hit. I know two wrongs don't make a right but it may send a message. I think women in general have learned via the woman's lib movement that they have the right to do what they want and I disagree. Being a woman does not make you entitled to anything, if you want respect, earn it.

Lesa :cool:
 
Doesn't matter. Its still a dumbass thread.

Its funny how you're resorting to argumentum ad hominem(the no-no you forgot to include), which I wouldn't mind so much had you actually disagreed with me.
 
You just don't hit a woman ever, no matter what. If they attack you i think its ok to block them, or hold down their arms, but i don't think i could live with myself if i ever hit a female. Its just not on.
 
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