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(Sk.P., Visnu Khanda 16/40,42,44,331)
"If the Bhagavata is not kept in one's house in the Kali Yuga, of what avail are collections of other scriptures by the hundreds and thousands? How can he be considered a Vaisnava who, in the Kali Yuga, does not keep the Bhagavata in his house? Even if he is a brahmana, he is lower than an
outcaste. O Narada, O Sage, wherever the Bhagavata is found in the Kali Yuga, there Hari goes together with all the demigods. O Muni, that pious soul who daily recites a verse from the Bhagavata reaps the fruits of the eighteen Puranas."
as for the sadhus worshipping siva, if they ar edoing so for the sake of receiving a materialistic benediction (name, fame, adoration, wealth, power, etc) they are certainly less intelligent because such boons are pertinent to the body which is destined to die
SB 10.84.13: One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even visits those who are wise in spiritual truth — such a person is no better than a cow or an ass.
therefore they cannot be sattvic, what to speak of suddha sattvic
as indicated
SB 4.20.29: Great saintly persons who are always liberated take to Your devotional service because only by devotional service can one be relieved from the illusions of material existence. O my Lord, there is no reason for the liberated souls to take shelter at Your lotus feet except that such souls are constantly thinking of Your feet.
As long as one is affected by the modes of material nature, especially by rajas and tamas, he will be very greedy and lusty and will therefore engage in hard tasks, laboring all day and night. Such false egoism carries one from one species of life into another perpetually, and there is no rest in any species of life.
"[Lord Śiva addressed his wife, Durgā:] 'O Varānanā, 'I chant the holy name of Rāma, Rāma, Rāma and thus enjoy this beautiful sound. This holy name of Rāmacandra is equal to one thousand holy names of Lord Viṣṇu.'
This is a verse from the Bṛhad-viṣṇu-sahasranāma-stotra in the Uttara-khaṇḍa of the Padma Purāṇa (72.335).
its not clear why being a servant of visnu is the constitutional position of misery, particularly since it is the prime requisite for entrance into vaikuntha
I didn't actually "boast" - I provided statements from vedic literature to back up my claims
Unlike you, I have never asserted that any part of the vedas is an object of belittling (although I have asserted that some parts are more important than others) - in other words I have never said words to the effect that "anything in the skanda purana is useless" (unlike you indicating this in reagrd to the SB and BG) - on the contrary, I located a verse in the Skanda Purana that extols the superior nature of the SB
BG 2.42-43: Men of small knowledge are very much attached to the flowery words of the Vedas, which recommend various fruitive activities for elevation to heavenly planets, resultant good birth, power, and so forth. Being desirous of sense gratification and opulent life, they say that there is nothing more than this.
BG 2.44: In the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment and material opulence, and who are bewildered by such things, the resolute determination for devotional service to the Supreme Lord does not take place.
BG 2.45: The Vedas deal mainly with the subject of the three modes of material nature. O Arjuna, become transcendental to these three modes. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be established in the self.
BG 2.46: All purposes served by a small well can at once be served by a great reservoir of water. Similarly, all the purposes of the Vedas can be served to one who knows the purpose behind them.
What do you think the purpose of the vedas is?
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First establish what is the distinction between the vedas and puranas in terms of authenticity and credibility
SB 1.4.16: The great sage Vyāsadeva saw anomalies in the duties of the millennium. This happens on the earth in different ages, due to unseen forces in the course of time.
SB 1.4.17-18: The great sage, who was fully equipped in knowledge, could see, through his transcendental vision, the deterioration of everything material, due to the influence of the age. He could also see that the faithless people in general would be reduced in duration of life and would be impatient due to lack of goodness. Thus he contemplated for the welfare of men in all statuses and orders of life.
SB 1.4.19: He saw that the sacrifices mentioned in the Vedas were means by which the people's occupations could be purified. And to simplify the process he divided the one Veda into four, in order to expand them among men.
SB 1.4.20: The four divisions of the original sources of knowledge [the Vedas] were made separately. But the historical facts and authentic stories mentioned in the Purāṇas are called the fifth Veda.
If you are after a vedic commentary (called vedanta sutra or brahma sutra), which is something more than just posting an odd quote from the vedas
The Brahma Sūtras reconcile seemingly contradictory and diverse statements of the various Upanishads and the Gītā, by placing each teaching in a doctrinal context. The word sūtra means thread, and the Brahma sūtras literally stitch together the various Vedānta teachings into a logical and self-consistent whole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta_Sutra
you can try this
but generally such analysis is not prcatical, hence ....
While the Upanishads (Śruti prasthāna, the starting point of revelation) and the Bhagavad-Gītā (Smriti prasthāna, the starting point of remembered tradition) are the basic source texts of Vedānta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta_Sutra
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I doubt if you have a quote for your hearing
BG 14.4: It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.
BG 15.15: I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known. Indeed, I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.
the reason being that I pulled out a quote, from the skanda purana mind you, that established that one verse of the SB can deliver the fruit of what ever one can acquire from the eighteen puranas
(Sk.P., Visnu Khanda 16/40,42,44,331)
"If the Bhagavata is not kept in one's house in the Kali Yuga, of what avail are collections of other scriptures by the hundreds and thousands? How can he be considered a Vaisnava who, in the Kali Yuga, does not keep the Bhagavata in his house? Even if he is a brahmana, he is lower than an
outcaste. O Narada, O Sage, wherever the Bhagavata is found in the Kali Yuga, there Hari goes together with all the demigods. O Muni, that pious soul who daily recites a verse from the Bhagavata reaps the fruits of the eighteen Puranas."
as for the sadhus worshipping siva, if they ar edoing so for the sake of receiving a materialistic benediction (name, fame, adoration, wealth, power, etc) they are certainly less intelligent because such boons are pertinent to the body which is destined to die
SB 10.84.13: One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even visits those who are wise in spiritual truth — such a person is no better than a cow or an ass.
therefore they cannot be sattvic, what to speak of suddha sattvic
as indicated
SB 4.20.29: Great saintly persons who are always liberated take to Your devotional service because only by devotional service can one be relieved from the illusions of material existence. O my Lord, there is no reason for the liberated souls to take shelter at Your lotus feet except that such souls are constantly thinking of Your feet.
As long as one is affected by the modes of material nature, especially by rajas and tamas, he will be very greedy and lusty and will therefore engage in hard tasks, laboring all day and night. Such false egoism carries one from one species of life into another perpetually, and there is no rest in any species of life.
they seem to like it
"[Lord Śiva addressed his wife, Durgā:] 'O Varānanā, 'I chant the holy name of Rāma, Rāma, Rāma and thus enjoy this beautiful sound. This holy name of Rāmacandra is equal to one thousand holy names of Lord Viṣṇu.'
This is a verse from the Bṛhad-viṣṇu-sahasranāma-stotra in the Uttara-khaṇḍa of the Padma Purāṇa (72.335).
its not clear why being a servant of visnu is the constitutional position of misery, particularly since it is the prime requisite for entrance into vaikuntha
This is the problem - you assert that you have the ability to determine where the vedas are telling the truth and when they are glorifying something inconsequential. This wouldn't be a problem if you had offered a vedic statement to back up your assertion that vedic lieterature has a "generous" nature
I didn't actually "boast" - I provided statements from vedic literature to back up my claims
to say that some parts of the vedas are wrong and that some parts are right (like you attributing a "generous" nature to the skanda purana) without a vedic statement to back up one's claims is an example of belittling the vedas
Unlike you, I have never asserted that any part of the vedas is an object of belittling (although I have asserted that some parts are more important than others) - in other words I have never said words to the effect that "anything in the skanda purana is useless" (unlike you indicating this in reagrd to the SB and BG) - on the contrary, I located a verse in the Skanda Purana that extols the superior nature of the SB
BG 2.42-43: Men of small knowledge are very much attached to the flowery words of the Vedas, which recommend various fruitive activities for elevation to heavenly planets, resultant good birth, power, and so forth. Being desirous of sense gratification and opulent life, they say that there is nothing more than this.
BG 2.44: In the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment and material opulence, and who are bewildered by such things, the resolute determination for devotional service to the Supreme Lord does not take place.
BG 2.45: The Vedas deal mainly with the subject of the three modes of material nature. O Arjuna, become transcendental to these three modes. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be established in the self.
BG 2.46: All purposes served by a small well can at once be served by a great reservoir of water. Similarly, all the purposes of the Vedas can be served to one who knows the purpose behind them.
What do you think the purpose of the vedas is?
“
First establish what is the distinction between the vedas and puranas in terms of authenticity and credibility
SB 1.4.16: The great sage Vyāsadeva saw anomalies in the duties of the millennium. This happens on the earth in different ages, due to unseen forces in the course of time.
SB 1.4.17-18: The great sage, who was fully equipped in knowledge, could see, through his transcendental vision, the deterioration of everything material, due to the influence of the age. He could also see that the faithless people in general would be reduced in duration of life and would be impatient due to lack of goodness. Thus he contemplated for the welfare of men in all statuses and orders of life.
SB 1.4.19: He saw that the sacrifices mentioned in the Vedas were means by which the people's occupations could be purified. And to simplify the process he divided the one Veda into four, in order to expand them among men.
SB 1.4.20: The four divisions of the original sources of knowledge [the Vedas] were made separately. But the historical facts and authentic stories mentioned in the Purāṇas are called the fifth Veda.
If you are after a vedic commentary (called vedanta sutra or brahma sutra), which is something more than just posting an odd quote from the vedas
The Brahma Sūtras reconcile seemingly contradictory and diverse statements of the various Upanishads and the Gītā, by placing each teaching in a doctrinal context. The word sūtra means thread, and the Brahma sūtras literally stitch together the various Vedānta teachings into a logical and self-consistent whole
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta_Sutra
you can try this
but generally such analysis is not prcatical, hence ....
While the Upanishads (Śruti prasthāna, the starting point of revelation) and the Bhagavad-Gītā (Smriti prasthāna, the starting point of remembered tradition) are the basic source texts of Vedānta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta_Sutra
“
I doubt if you have a quote for your hearing
BG 14.4: It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.
BG 15.15: I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known. Indeed, I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.
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