Most nations of the world do exactly that. People die, yet you act like it's some kind of horrible thing. It's isn't horrible, thousands of people have died while you read this message.
Baron Max
Healthcare (AMERICANS ONLY!!!)
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Most nations of the world do exactly that. People die, yet you act like it's some kind of horrible thing. It's isn't horrible, thousands of people have died while you read this message.
Baron Max
If that's your opinion/stance on the issue, why are you limiting it to only healthcare? Why don't you just include anything and everythign that people could possibly need or want?
The reason people have money is because they don't waste it on useless, idiotic things that are nothing but drains on money.
I can see why you chose the name "Wisdom_Seeker" ....it's 'cause you're seeking wisdom, but ain't found any of it yet!
Baron Max
LOL yeah, like Britney or her home girl Paris.
Sandy said:
I disagree....
I never have expected anyone to pay my way, but it would have been nice for my employer not to have waited over 6 months to get me my insurance benefits package together prior to someone causing me life threatening trauma. I am and was "self-responsible" but there are many situations that can easily cause land you in hospital situations and cause financial issues regardless of education or healthy lifestyles. It would have been a bit easier on my family financially had I not had to miss a years worth of work due to the neglect of someone else, and the legal system takes years to resolve lawsuits without offering you any assistance during these situations. I actually used Medical Assistance during this time, and paid the bill after I settled my lawsuit but had no income and had to use all my savings to support myself, not impoverished but damn close to it. Compassion and understanding is a benefit many people in society lack these days.
Well, it's their money, they can spend it however they deem appropriate. But see, that's the main difference ....you don't want people to spend their money as THEY see fit, you want to tell them how to spend it and on what. That ain't very nice of you, is it?
Baron Max
Yes, it would have been nice.
But you don't seem to get it ....if you'd have died, it wouldn't have made even a tiny bit of difference to anyone except those close to you ...family and close friends. And even some of your friends might not have noticed your death for days, weeks, perhaps months!
People pump up their own importance, and by extension, they feel the need to pump up the importance of all humans. But that's just silly and ego-centric, nothing more. You ain't important ...and that's something difficult for humans to accept. But the fact is .......you're just like a tiny drop of water in the endless ocean of humanity.
Thousands and thousands of humans have died while you read this post. How did you feel? Did it change anything in your life? If so, what?
One can be compassionate and understanding without give away all of their money to others. Or else you have a strange idea of compassion and understanding.
Baron Max
Health care in the U.S. is a screwed up mess, but where isn't it a screwed up mess?
This system has problems, and they are about to be compounded by the retiring baby-boomers, but I'll take my chances with this plan over anything that starts with the word Social. Health care is not universal, it's not a right, and that's too bad for some, but that's the reality of our economic system.
This system has problems, and they are about to be compounded by the retiring baby-boomers, but I'll take my chances with this plan over anything that starts with the word Social. Health care is not universal, it's not a right, and that's too bad for some, but that's the reality of our economic system.
Baron-
I really think you misunderstood my post, my point is at any moment regardless of planning you could be poor and that maybe some people should take this into consideration prior to making generalizations about the low-income/working class population.
I probably have dealt with more death in the past few years than most people see in a few lifetimes, I understand it better than most.
I really think you misunderstood my post, my point is at any moment regardless of planning you could be poor and that maybe some people should take this into consideration prior to making generalizations about the low-income/working class population.
I probably have dealt with more death in the past few years than most people see in a few lifetimes, I understand it better than most.
And? Why do you think they don't consider that?
Ever been on a battlefield? Ever seen dead, mangled, shredded, bloody bodies and pieces of bodies lying around all over the ground? If not, then your understanding of death might not be so great as you think.
Baron Max
No Baron, no battlefields for me, but I do see whats left of the troops after they are mangled and shredded (which is much harder as there is much suffering) as I work for the VA Medical System as well as a university hospital, watched and assisted in autopsies (some from automobile accidents, fires and my favorite the ID cases), and generally have done 6-7 death certificates per week from patients that have expired that I had direct contact with them and their families, nothing like a quick easy death it is much better than the slow painful death many endure.... I deal with it on so many levels that I have a clearer concept than most.
Yes, America works on Capitalism which is based on the idea of free market and which Smith and Rand expounded. The thing is, it is the American corporations that are providing the message that greed works more and more. Oftentimes, enterprises only expand because they can no longer think of any use for energy and resources. This is the problem when greed is left to fester, it becomes mindless and morally insensitive. So overall the argument looks good. I believe that there is a need to understand better whether greed is the major reason for its success. I am encouraged to do so at present, but am unable to at the moment.
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Rock on Sandy, same goes for UK, i am sick of paying my taxes to idle breeders, that is the way to get an easy life in the UK, just so do not work and have loads of kids, heck our lousy do gooders will bend over backwards
to make sure they do not want.
Ahh, and who pays for all the research and development that these universities do? Or didn't you bother to think about that minor little issue?
Baron Max
Yep, but they don't give one shit about you, do they? And it's just a worldwide, western trend that's gonna' do nothin' but cause major problems in the world ...the lazy just hold out their hands, and someone piles on the money ...YOUR money!
Baron Max
No, no one cares about my struggle to keep my head above water, i have to work six months just to pay my taxes, this six months goes to the drop outs, the ones that think we owe them a good life, well we do not owe them one single penny, send them to the work houses of old, take their right to hand outs away, but this nanny state will call me cruel for suggesting such a thing,
You know what i would like to do with these____________, bang.
so um dying because you can not afford some super overpriced medical care is fair to you?
just because praying helps doesn't mean you shouldn't see a doctor
I've read through this entire thread and don't recall anyone saying anything even close to that. But I will say that it's wrong to take MY money to pay for the 'super over-priced medical care" of someone I don't even know. It might even be you and I don't want my money wasted that way. I will personally pay "super- da da da " for any member of my family that needs it - and I suggest yours should do the same for you. Otherwise, your - or anyone else's dying is perfecty fine with me.