Grave Injustice, Ten years for consentual sex.

Meanwhile a British men found with child porn on his computer has been freed, ostensibly on the advice of the Home Secretary because of prison overcrowding. Another man has had his sentence for serious sex offences delayed for review, due to the same guidelines. The Home Secretary is denying culpability:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6301125.stm

It's a shitty old world, alright.
 
So you admit to being a phedophile? How interesting! And so you feel qualified to make judgements about laws against phedophilia? Hmmm? Perhaps we should let all phedophiles write the laws about sex with minors? Hey, we could even have them lay out the punishments if there are any crimes at all? Hmmm?

Baron Max
Max does have a point. 17 year olds are old enough to understand the law. Clearly it needs reform but those who break it as it stands must deal with any consequences.
 
Just another case to show how messed up the world can be. As has been said if they'd just had sex he would have got away with it, but a lesser act carries a harsher penalty. To then go ahead and change the law and refuse to make it retroactive is just ridiculous, what possible reason could they have???? A consensual act at that age really shouldn't be punished at all, there is so little common sense left in this world.
 
I think it's part of Georgia's anti-sodomoy laws.

In Virginia, it's a class 6 felony to give or recieve oral sex, from or to anyone.
 
Makes you wonder don't it, a few years ago a 17 year old boy around here raped and killed a girl who was 13 or 14, I'm not sure of the details but she was raped and I'm almost sure he strangled her. He got less then this guy, like 4-6 years served I think(I did not hear much of either case so I can not say to much). Its nice to see things with your own eyes, hear with your own ears, trustworthy I find them!
 
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Are you suggesting that state prosecutors should ignore the laws of the state whenever they want to? Or change the laws if the feel like it?
They have the power to do so.

However if you read through the whole article and the words of the prosecutor, you would realise that this was not a case whereby justice was sought on behalf of the 'victim'. The prosecutor admits that this case is wrong. But because of the way the system works, they are only interested in a guilty plea. So to attempt to right the wrong even they are not blind to, they offer a plea bargain and have the accused listed as a sex offender and a paodophile, meaning that he would no longer be able to live at home along with his little sister. The accused refused and who could blame him. When all the other charges were dismissed, this was the only thing they could get him on. So what do they do? Fail to inform the jury that the penalty is for 10 years because the prosecutor knew the jury would not have sent him to jail for it judging by their anger when they did realise he would get 10 years.

Now as to administering the law at whim. This case is a prime example of how this has occured. Judicial blackmail is what it comes down to in the end.

And what was her crime? What would she be charged with?
False rape allegations would be one. Even her mother admits that the sex was consentual and she was the instigator.

Do you think he should have been charged with a felony and sent to jail for 10 years for this "crime"? As I said above, it should have been a misdemeanor charge at most because of the nature of the crime and the law in question. The State legislature saw fit to change the law so that oral sex was no longer a felony in such a case, but the law was not retroactive, therefore he is made to suffer. I believe from the article, the legislators and lawyers are working to have his case dismissed. The prosecutors have admitted they can make it all go away if they so choose. And after having read through that whole article again, it is judicial blackmail. The words of Barker (the prosecutor) are abhorrent in their very arrogance:


"We can set aside his sentence," Barker says. "Legally, it's still possible for us to set aside his sentence and give him a new sentence to a lesser charge. But it's up to us. He has no control over it."​

I find this to be galling to be honest. I am guessing he missed the lecture on ethics.

If so, why even have written laws? Let's just let judges and prosecutors administer whatever they each think should be done?
This is what has happened already.

As the prosecutor admits, they have the power to set aside his sentence and give him a new one with a lesser charge. But they choose not to. Even though they admit he should not have 10 years, they choose not to set aside his sentence. And do you know why?

He rolled the dice, and he lost. The others, he says, "took their medicine."

Hmmmm 'took their medicine'. That's what it comes down to. Wilson dared to attempt to go against the 'establishment' and he lost. Pride and arrogance is why they are refusing to set aside his sentence and give him a lesser charge.

Perhaps you should read the third sentence in the original post. That might give you a clue about what law was violated.
The age of consent is sixteen?

Maybe you should read the rest of the article:

"But because of an archaic Georgia law, it was a misdemeanor for teenagers less than three years apart to have sexual intercourse, but a felony for the same kids to have oral sex."

So if there was no oral sex, he would not be in jail at all. The State changed the laws after this case because it has proven to be so stupid and so archaic but did not make it retroactive.

Again, I point out the prosecutor has the ability to drop his sentence and charge and sentence him with a much lesser charge, but they choose not to.

Perhaps we should let all phedophiles write the laws about sex with minors? Hey, we could even have them lay out the punishments if there are any crimes at all? Hmmm?
Well not long after this case, a teacher was found guilty of engaging in sexual intercourse with her student. And she only got 90 days. So you tell me Baron.

In light of the evidence in this case, do you think Wilson's treatment was fair under the law or is this just a case of prosecutorial pride and arrogance, in light of the fact that the school teacher only received a 90 day sentence? Lets not forget these words from the prosecutor:

The others, he says, "took their medicine."

Do you think any prosecutor should use their position to blackmail others just to wrack up another guilty plea on their resume? Because in the end, this is what it all comes down to. This case would have to be one of the biggest examples of prosecutorial zealousness that I have ever come across.
 
well the conclusion is: don't deal with women
Well Said. The current witch hunt hysteria about 'child' molestation, etc has reached a frenzy. Local TV relies on entrapping men in stings so they can pump up ratings. Police using resources and manpower to get men to commit crimes through the Internet while murder, rape and other real crimes surge in many parts of the country.
Real predators should be locked up. Our police and media surfing for crime on demand for entertainment, election wins and ratings are just as sick.
 
Well Said. The current witch hunt hysteria about 'child' molestation, etc has reached a frenzy. Local TV relies on entrapping men in stings so they can pump up ratings. Police using resources and manpower to get men to commit crimes through the Internet while murder, rape and other real crimes surge in many parts of the country.
Real predators should be locked up. Our police and media surfing for crime on demand for entertainment, election wins and ratings are just as sick.

I was being extremely sarcastic.
 
They have the power to do so.

I don't think they do, Bells, and you're gonna' have to do a lot of explaining to convince me that state prosecutors can ignore the laws of the state on a personal whim.

Do you think he should have been charged with a felony and sent to jail for 10 years for this "crime"?

He commited the crime according to the laws of the state. He was found guilty in a court of law by a jury. The sentence was handed down in accordance with the laws of the state. It don't make a bit of difference what I or anyone else thinks or feels about it.

As I said above, it should have been a misdemeanor charge at most because of the nature of the crime and the law in question.

Don't matter what you think, Bells, those were/are the laws of that state, and they should be followed or legally changed by the state. Your idea of what it should have been don't mean jack-shit.

But all-in-all, I don't understand your zeal in trying to get this phedophile off of his conviction and sentence? I mean, any other time you'd be screaming for his head! Yet, here you're arguing that phedophiles should be given special treatment. Why? Do you now love phedophiles?

Baron Max
 
I could easily break the legs of any person supporting this.

Huh? Supporting what?

And you need to know ....breaking a man's legs is a LOT harder than you might think. So if you plan on breaking anyone's legs, take a damned big club or baseball bat, and swing that thing REAL hard ...else you won't break his legs!

Baron Max
 
Baron Max...you're such a realist. Too much most of the time. I thik this thread is most about the injustice than trying to change the reality of what happened. If anyone actually cared, talking about it here wouldn't help anything.
 
But all-in-all, I don't understand your zeal in trying to get this phedophile off of his conviction and sentence? I mean, any other time you'd be screaming for his head! Yet, here you're arguing that phedophiles should be given special treatment. Why? Do you now love phedophiles?
Baron Max
This kid is not a pedophile. He was a teenager himself at the time!
 
I don't think they do, Bells, and you're gonna' have to do a lot of explaining to convince me that state prosecutors can ignore the laws of the state on a personal whim.
Oh but in this instance they do and have admitted it themselves.

Read the article and see for yourself. The choice is theres and they choose not to. As far as they are concerned, they got a guilty verdict and that is all they wanted. They can dismiss his sentence and have him serve a much shorter sentence under a lesser charge, but they choose not to.

Prosecutors ignore the laws of the state every day when they decide whether charges should or should not be laid. In this case, when the rape charges could not stick, and they could not get him to plea bargain, they decided to charge him with the felony. They knew that if the jury knew the guilty verdict carried a 10 year term, that he would not have been found guilty of having oral sex. That's the thing. He was not guilty of having sex with her, those charges were dismissed and thrown out as she consented and was within 2 years of his age. Oral sex however appears to be illegal and classed as a felony. So when this poor kid refused to plea bargain, they went for the maximum. As the prosecutor said himself..

"We can set aside his sentence," Barker says. "Legally, it's still possible for us to set aside his sentence and give him a new sentence to a lesser charge. But it's up to us. He has no control over it."​

He refused to take their plea bargain so they will make him suffer. After all, the other boys "took their medicine" and got a much shorter sentence and charge. But he dared to try to take them on and lost. Judicial arrogance at its worst.

He commited the crime according to the laws of the state. He was found guilty in a court of law by a jury. The sentence was handed down in accordance with the laws of the state. It don't make a bit of difference what I or anyone else thinks or feels about it.
A law that has been changed since his case due to the ridiculous nature of it. However you are correct, he was found guilty under the laws of the State. However the jury was never made aware that a guilty plea would result in a 10 year sentence. When they found out, the prosecutor dismissed them with this:

The trial finished that afternoon, and the jury came back with "not guilty" on the rape but "guilty" on the aggravated child molestation.

He looked at the forewoman. She was crying, seeming to understand they'd just undone a promising future. Indeed, when the jurors found out there was a 10-year mandatory minimum sentence, several were incensed. The prosecution told them to write a letter, then moved on to the next case.
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But I guess for the prosecution, if he had pled guilty and begged for mercy, he would be out of jail by now. However he did not wish to be branded a child molester. So the prosecutor thought he deserved to take "his medicine". I don't know why, but those words bug the hell out of me. They know and admit this case is unfair, but the fact that he refused to "take his medicine", he must now pay for it. They are almost flippant about it, which is even more disgusting.

You don't think it should matter what you think about it? Why not? The judicial system is there to serve and protect you. You should have a say in it through how you vote. The voices and the situation of this case were enough to make them change the laws, because they were so ridiculously archaic, but for some strange reason, they were not retroactive, but I think the legislature is attempting to find another legal solution because the prosecutors are being so stubborn about it. But then again, the prosecution is only interested in a guilty plea and justice does not come into it.

In yet another baffling twist, the law was written to not apply to cases retroactively, though another legislative solution might be in the works. The case has drawn national condemnation, from the "Free Genarlow Wilson Now" editorial in The New York Times to a feature on Mark Cuban's HDNet.

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In Douglas County, according to law professors following the case, admitting sins and begging forgiveness -- not insisting on your innocence -- is the road to mercy. Williams is already out of jail, in part because McDade wrote a letter to the parole board, praising Williams for being the first to plead guilty and "take his medicine." As for Wilson, McDade called him a "martyr" in the media.

Baron Max said:
But all-in-all, I don't understand your zeal in trying to get this phedophile off of his conviction and sentence? I mean, any other time you'd be screaming for his head! Yet, here you're arguing that phedophiles should be given special treatment. Why? Do you now love phedophiles?
Is he a paedophile though? That's the thing, had he just had vaginal sex with her, he would not be classified as one. But he also had oral sex, which was a felony. The laws have since changed to address the ridiculous nature of this issue. But what of Wilson? Should he pay for laws that even the legislature admit (they did change it) were archaic?

It was consentual oral sex and had it been just vaginal sex, he would not be classified as a sex offender.

This kid was not and is not a paedophile. Even the law stated at the time that having sex with her would not make him a paedophile, it was just a misdemeanor. But oral sex, under Georgian law, was classified as a felony, so because of that distinction, he is a paedophile. That added with prosecutorial zealousness and pride have resulted in justice not being served at all.

In Barker's eyes, Wilson should have taken the same plea agreement as the others. Maintaining innocence in the face of the crushing wheels of justice is the ultimate act of vanity, he believes.

One has to wonder who's vanity he means. His own or Wilson's. This case is about the prosecutor's ego and now the legislature is trying to work its way around it. Hopefully they do and this kid can get on with his life.
 
Huh? Supporting what?

And you need to know ....breaking a man's legs is a LOT harder than you might think. So if you plan on breaking anyone's legs, take a damned big club or baseball bat, and swing that thing REAL hard ...else you won't break his legs!

Baron Max

supporting the guys punishment

and does kicking in the knees count?
 
Bells:

Why the laws that were changed to include oral sex were not retroactive, I can't understand.

The problem here was definitely with the law. However, I'm not surprised it wasn't changed retrospectively. As a general principle of law, legislatures very rarely make laws that are retrospective, unless there are compelling reasons to do so. To do so because of one case would be virtually unheard of.

Why this case was even prosecuted, I cannot understand.

I agree.

Why his appeal wasn't upheld, I cannot understand.

What were the grounds of appeal? Was the appeal about the severity of the sentence, or the conviction itself?


Baron Max:

I don't think they do, Bells, and you're gonna' have to do a lot of explaining to convince me that state prosecutors can ignore the laws of the state on a personal whim.

Welcome to Criminal Justice 101.

Discretion is built into every level of the criminal justice system. For example,. did you know that police have discretion as to whether or not to hand out a speeding fine? You know what that means? It means that even though they caught you speeding they can choose to "ignore the laws of the state" (as you put it), and let you off with a warning.

Suppose you don't pay your speeding fine. Then, guess what? The DA can choose NOT to prosecute you. That's right. He can also "ignore the laws of the state"!

If you get to court for your unpaid speeding fine, the JUDGE can exercise his discretion and let you off. That's right - he can "ignore the laws of the state", too!

Does this shake your blind faith in the criminal justice system, now that you know, Baron Max? You know what? It strengths my faith in it.
 
In America, I am fairly certain that no law can legally be retroactive. Ex post facto and such prevents such things in regards to convictions.
 
In America, I am fairly certain that no law can legally be retroactive. Ex post facto and such prevents such things in regards to convictions.
You may be right, but the governor can always pardon the kid. You always here about these celebrities fighting to have some cop killer released, what about this kid?
 
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