repartee.... it's the partee you throw after having screwed up the previous one.... a type of mulligan
God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.
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repartee.... it's the partee you throw after having screwed up the previous one.... a type of mulligan
This thread is inane.
What it's really about is someone declaring thus: "God has many limits, look at all the things in this list I pulled out of my ass."
The OP is only really saying: "If I can think of a bunch of things that make my concept of God limited, then God is limited because I can think of limitations for God. You might notice how easy this is when I, erm, limit my concept to the strictly Biblical."
Meh. What a load of crap.
What it's really about is someone declaring thus: "God has many limits, look at all the things in this list I pulled out of my ass."
The OP is only really saying: "If I can think of a bunch of things that make my concept of God limited, then God is limited because I can think of limitations for God. You might notice how easy this is when I, erm, limit my concept to the strictly Biblical."
Meh. What a load of crap.
You had a typo- Fixed it for ya.
Greatest I am
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You are trying to baffle at least 3 good brains here with B S.
It will not work.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am
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RoccoR
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Greatest I am (DL), et al,
Science is all about exploring the unknown.
Even a "figment of man's imagination" has qualities and characteristics. A "Werewolf and Vampire" are a "figment of man's imagination," yet we know what they are, we know the general characteristics and the qualities that make it near universally recognizable. Anyone how have watched the trilogy Underworld would have a concept of both imaginary entities. The Aliens and Predators (fictional extraterrestrial species) that haunted WO Shipley (Sigourney Weaver) are generally known.
We don't know if GOD (The Supreme Being) is a fictional character, a supernatural reality, or an Alien. We haven't defined our image. For that matter, we haven't defined if we (individually or collectively) are real; although that is an assumption.
Whether it is a "figment of man's imagination" or not is uncertain, since that - while a possibility, has not be explored. But if it is, then is must be one of several shared delusions in common with most of humanity. Is that reasonable to assume without a hearing?
We have to have some, who believes, define the powers, characteristics and attributes of the "GOD" in which they believe to begin the exploration.
Most Respectfully,
R
Science is all about exploring the unknown.
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Even a "figment of man's imagination" has qualities and characteristics. A "Werewolf and Vampire" are a "figment of man's imagination," yet we know what they are, we know the general characteristics and the qualities that make it near universally recognizable. Anyone how have watched the trilogy Underworld would have a concept of both imaginary entities. The Aliens and Predators (fictional extraterrestrial species) that haunted WO Shipley (Sigourney Weaver) are generally known.
We don't know if GOD (The Supreme Being) is a fictional character, a supernatural reality, or an Alien. We haven't defined our image. For that matter, we haven't defined if we (individually or collectively) are real; although that is an assumption.
Whether it is a "figment of man's imagination" or not is uncertain, since that - while a possibility, has not be explored. But if it is, then is must be one of several shared delusions in common with most of humanity. Is that reasonable to assume without a hearing?
We have to have some, who believes, define the powers, characteristics and attributes of the "GOD" in which they believe to begin the exploration.
Most Respectfully,
R
Greatest I am
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I guess we will have to wait for some believer then because from what I can see of all the various sects, beliefs go from a Universalist God who does not lose any souls, to one with the narrow path where only a few of us squeak through the heavenly gates.
To me, God is all myth and to some he is not.
Regards
DL
To me, God is all myth and to some he is not.
Regards
DL
No, it is merely the definition of omnipotent. Perhaps you missed where I said omnipotence didn't necessarily exist.
You might want to take note of what the "Religion" forum is a subsection of. Free agency is a common term in philosophy dealing with free will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agency_%28philosophy%29
Well apparently you are admitting to being baffled. No surprise there, as you have consistently avoided addressing any of this every time I've told you.
Greatest I am
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I do not know how to respond to baffling B S.
A failing I guess.
Regards
DL
A failing I guess.
Regards
DL
Most likely, you may get awnser from following quote I posted in another topic:-
Let us for example try to better understand about GOOD (good act) and BAD (Sin or bad act) by the following image:-
Wavelength = disturbance or displacement
Amplitude= intensity of disturbance
Creast=positive/angel zone
Trough = negative/devil zone
Center Line= god state
Moving toward centerline=good act/moving toward god
Deviating from centerline= bad act or sin/deviating from god.
If so, centerline representing god state(though imaginary/indescribable) should be a balance of both positive/angel and of negative/devil and therefore should be able to end all odd thoughts.
You deserved that. I am happy.
He is being capable of doing every right thing and things needed to balance. but whether He want or do not want to attain a purpose is his choice/desire.
Greatest I am
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Does that include creating evil and sin for balance evil?
I have this coming up later as an O P. and I think it speaks to what you just said.
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Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
This quote indicates that the creation of evil is an ongoing process by God and that he does so for his pleasure. This makes sense in that God would not create something that he did not want in the world.
As a Gnostic Christian, I recognize that the concept of God is all myth. Literal and historic belief did not generally come about till about the years 80. 50 years after the death of Jesus. In fact, Jesus was not declared divine till the Trinity concept was accepted, by the force of Constantine in 380.
Having said this, I recognize why the ancient thinkers would say that God is pleased when he creates evil in the world.
Do you?
If not, why do you think God would create evil for his displeasure?
If Go does not do or create evil as some think, then who else has the power to create evil?
Regards
DL
Simply:
"God does not make one suffer for no reason nor does He make one happy for no reason. God is very fair and gives you exactly what you deserve."[ resulting balance/homeostatis]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
So when a little new born baby has cancer or a brain tumor, God figures that baby deserves that. Somehow that baby had it coming? If that's the case, I see that kind of God as an asshole undeserving of worship or even respect.
Spritually, whatever a person deserve God only gives that--positive or negative. A person who deserve to be healthy loses his fats on obesity but gain on thinness.
kx000
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God created all his children. Some are not worthy...
Glory, honor, and power are all good things. Further, the auther is just giving praise to God.
Except the theological aspect.
So you mean ancient civilizations around time had their own concepts of God, and gods with no foreknowledge of each other? Thats extreme. I wonder what people think of first, toilet paper, or God.
I believe in a man, and something one would recognize as thin air.
Maybe the pleasure is seeing the good gods overcome the evil gods..
My theory is God is super consciousness who evolved in turn creating us all through nature and a kick in the butt to apparently nothing to create a shell and in turn everything called the universe. His children wouldn't be planets, or stars, or black holes. If he is consciousness his children would probably be emotions like Jesus who is pacifism, or Pacifism.
I don't believe God would only have good emotions like Pacifism, Faith, and Hate, but also Temptation, War, and Deception. Theory is he created emotions as spirits in heaven good, or not good as he had them.
If Jesus is Pacifism, maybe God is Love. Does Temptation love what he does? Family resemblance.