Originally posted by Raithere
Sure. Here's the quote from my post on 12/18: " Life is a system of interdependent processes that begins to break down if the process is halted... for us to create this from scratch we would have to have the ability to hold such a system together while we were building it."
What exactly are the processes?
At what stage does it become life?
Without evidence it is purely an assumption.
Apart from the fact you are being assumptive by stating that evidence would be needed, you have failed to answer my question which was: “but it could do….right?”
I find it highly improbable and the assertion to be incredibly presumptuous.
You are being arrogant, you have no idea whether or not the supernatural exists, by your own indirect statement, how could you possibly know whether or not it is “highly improbable,” as you have never experience it.
Given an unsupported fantastical explanation and a plausible mundane explanation I find it much more reasonable and intelligent to choose the mundane explanation.
Your use of the terms mundane and fantastic, is ONLY your oppinion.
An entirely different meaning of the word life that that with which we are using here.
You mean which “you” are using here.
But I could definitely be wrong or forgetting something, could you please give me a synopsis of what you are referring to?
As we have talked about the Gita before, and all your responses were attempted refutations, I must admit I do not have the energy at this moment, to explain it to you, but if you really are interested, look back through our conversations and bring up points, and I will gladly answer them. Or contribute to my other thread “vaishnava guru on christianity” where the mood and flavour is up and running.
The scientists of the west had hypothesized the existence of Sirius-B due to the wobble in 1844.
The claims of the Dogon tribe were facts, as it was later proved.
ost 100 years before Griaule studied the Dogon. Missionaries and explorers could definitely have related this information...
“Griaule's colleague and co-author, anthropologist Germaine Dieterlen, who had lived among the Dogon for most of her life, was asked by a reporter for BBC-TV's Horizon program whether the Dogon could have learned the Sirius information from other Europeans. She called the idea "absurd" and displayed a 400-year-old Dogon object that clearly indicated Sirius and its companion stars.”
visitors often used their astronomical knowledge to impress aboriginal peoples. Columbus, for instance, is known to have used his prediction of a lunar eclipse to impress the Carib people.
Of course that could be a possibility, but it would indicate that the Dogon tribe are liars, and I have no reason to believe that.
There is also the fact that many young men from French West Africa spent time in France during WW1 where they definitely could have been exposed to this knowledge and later related it the Dogon.
It would seem strange that young men at wartime would spend their time talking to a primitive tribe of people about a newly discovered star system.
Although perhaps it would be more accurate to say that I find that you accept fantastical propositions far more quickly than I find reasonable. I could be wrong but I do not see evidence of it in you posts.
As I said before, “fantastic” is relative, I do not find the idea of beings from other worlds fantastic in the least, in fact when I was younger I had an experience with what I later realised was not a human being, but that is another story.
Give these mundane facts the fantastic assumption that the information 'must' have come from visiting extraterrestrials becomes a rather absurd proposition.
It is only fantastic because we are ignorant of such things, I suppose to Dogon tribe a microwave oven is fantastic. To me there is nothing fantastic about extratarrestials.
I find the notion that young men in wartime would sit and discuss this whole thing with a tribe, and then for the elders of the tribe to turn it into a religion, fantastic.
I find it rather unlikely that some advanced civilization traveled many light-years across the galaxy to teach a tiny tribe in Africa that Sirius has a companion star.
No disrespect to you Raithere, but so what if you find it unlikely, what do you know? You are a skeptic, it your job to find things unlikely.
How do you know that the tribe and nommas are not connected through lineage.
You say travel many light-years as though it is some big effort because from your perspective it is a big effort, but maybe for the nommos, it is a simple journey.
You automatically use your own experience to judge every experience and what you cannot comprehend you basically dismiss.
One would think that such a civilization would have something quite a bit more important to relate to us primitive humans.
That is pure arrogance my friend. If you read about it you will realise that they taught them much more, in fact the dogon tribe are more excited about the sun and moon.
One must also wonder why, if extraterrestrials did indeed visit us once upon a time, why they have not continued their contact with us.
Who knows?
Probably the ones in the past were good and wanted to help some aspects of mankind, and the ones now are very naughty and want to keep mankind in the dark.
Particularly when we are now, generally, would be so much more able to understand who and what they are and what they would have to say to us.
You mean after we got passed the “I’m a skeptic gimmie the evidence song and dance.”
Only the fact that there are explanations that are far more reasonable.
Again, a relative and personal statement.
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Jan Ardena.
