God does exist.
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You should've been clearer on that. "Believes correct" and "was correct" are different. That is why I stated people should stand by their beliefs. "I believe this is correct..." instead of "This is correct!"
Correct in beliefs is very subjective, just as how we think which "morals" are correct. Clearing this up, one may think one's beliefs is correct, but one should not assume theirs is correct over others without solid proof.
A exaggerated example: "
Christian: Christianity is the right religion.
Muslim: No, Muslim is.
Christian and Muslim
k, since we both think we are correct let's fight. Whoever wins is the correct one!"MarcAC
Now for more of your idiocy...
In short, don't ever say anything even vaguely related to science, as you'll no doubt be very wrong. Also, don't ever say anything about me being wrong, because I'm basically too damn smart and you're an idiot. That said, I think I've had enough of repeating the same crap for delusional superstitious freaks. Back to the sapient threads I go...
Well, let's see what you did in fact write previously:
Now if you want me to repeat myself (obviously you do, because you're an idiot):
Wrong. There was supporting evidence for it.
Wrong. They found supporting evidence suggesting its existence, expected direct evidence, sought direct evidence, and found it.
Wrong. It can indeed be seen interacting. There IS evidence for it. So, oops, yes, it can be, and is, there.
Now for more of your idiocy...
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6054
Ah, I see. You've shown me the light. When the christians massacred various towns on their march to Jerusalem, many of those town christian but not speaking the appropriate language, your god was there for the inncoent victims? I'm sure they trusted him/her/it. The many scientists and witches burnt over the medieval years? Do you really want people to list examples of instances throughout history where "trust in god" resulted in massacres?
In short, don't ever say anything even vaguely related to science, as you'll no doubt be very wrong. Also, don't ever say anything about me being wrong, because I'm basically too damn smart and you're an idiot. That said, I think I've had enough of repeating the same crap for delusional superstitious freaks. Back to the sapient threads I go...
Cris,
I meant that evil is just the abscence of good. I actually said that only God exists and that evil is just an illusion, like darkness is. It's just a matter of perspective, of how you see it. In this way there is no paradox, as God didn't create evil at all. Evil is our creation, not His...
I meant that it is written in the Bible (as we are basing the discussion in the Bible and in what it says)...
And back to the point...
God knows the choices we will make. That's also written in the Bible.
...
Are you scared about the possibility of the existance of some... let's say... living organism greater than you?
I meant that evil is just the abscence of good. I actually said that only God exists and that evil is just an illusion, like darkness is. It's just a matter of perspective, of how you see it. In this way there is no paradox, as God didn't create evil at all. Evil is our creation, not His...
I meant that it is written in the Bible (as we are basing the discussion in the Bible and in what it says)...
And back to the point...
God knows the choices we will make. That's also written in the Bible.
...
Are you scared about the possibility of the existance of some... let's say... living organism greater than you?
Yes. Logic.
~Raithere
Yes, formal logic as a system of reasoning is consistent. Yes, logic originated from common sense. Logic is common rationality applied with rigor. No, Logic is in no way dependent upon facts it is a systematic method of analysis and can be applied to unreal concepts as well as factual concepts.
Yes, logic can sometimes lead to paradoxes but such paradoxes usually are due to mistakes known as logical fallacies. I'm always willing to consider something totally new... however if it fails the tests of evidence and logic I toss it in the trash bin or put it away to await further knowledge. I do not believe things without reason... and when my reason fails hard analysis I, unlike you, am entirely willing to admit it.
Thanks for all these excellent examples. Each of these mistakes involves some logical fallacy or another.
I've done no such thing. I've only pointed out the errors in your reasoning. That you are mistaken is not my fault. If you don't enjoy discussing the correct application of Logic to this issue then I suggest you not bring logic into the discussion next time.
Really? Then why don't you give us an example that evinces God... and please do be so kind as to show us the logical argument that demonstrates why the evidence points only to the conclusion of your God and not something else.
~Raithere
Can you tell me where? I GOTTA SEE THIS
(I'm not going to argue that free will can't exist with him, I've tried over and over. But know I'll have a passage to use against reasonable people )Happy happy happy
Mech_The_Muon,
Where?? What do you mean by "where"...?
Where?? What do you mean by "where"...?
Truthseeker
God knows the choices we will make.
In other words, no free will. Everything is predestined. No matter how many millions of decisions and choices are made every day around the world, each one is already well known in advance and will not change no matter what happens.
Are you scared about the possibility of the existance of some... let's say... living organism greater than you?
Scared ? Absolutely not. I would look forward to meeting said organism. Can you arrange a meeting at the earliest convenience ? I have several thousand questions.
God knows the choices we will make.
In other words, no free will. Everything is predestined. No matter how many millions of decisions and choices are made every day around the world, each one is already well known in advance and will not change no matter what happens.
Are you scared about the possibility of the existance of some... let's say... living organism greater than you?
Scared ? Absolutely not. I would look forward to meeting said organism. Can you arrange a meeting at the earliest convenience ? I have several thousand questions.
(Q),
No. His knowledge is of potential rather than of active. He knows what we can do, but He let us do what we want.
Well... I'm pretty sure He tries to talk with you everyday...
No. His knowledge is of potential rather than of active. He knows what we can do, but He let us do what we want.
Well... I'm pretty sure He tries to talk with you everyday...
Truthseeker
No. His knowledge is of potential rather than of active. He knows what we can do, but He let us do what we want.
Good answer.
Well... I'm pretty sure He tries to talk with you everyday...
What exactly am I supposed to be hearing ? What frequency am I to tune ?
No. His knowledge is of potential rather than of active. He knows what we can do, but He let us do what we want.
Good answer.
Well... I'm pretty sure He tries to talk with you everyday...
What exactly am I supposed to be hearing ? What frequency am I to tune ?
(Q),
His voice is very subtle. If you try to listen to Him while your head is full of things, you won't be able to hear anything. It will be like trying to listen a bird singing in the middle of a traffic jam...
If you really want to listen to Him, all that you can do is to clean your mind and be completly impartial about the results, otherwise any belief against His existance or that He cannot talk with you will block His voice and you won't be able to listen to Him. If you don't believe He exists, how can He talk with you? So, you don't need to believe, you just need to be intentionally impartial about it.
His voice is very subtle. If you try to listen to Him while your head is full of things, you won't be able to hear anything. It will be like trying to listen a bird singing in the middle of a traffic jam...
If you really want to listen to Him, all that you can do is to clean your mind and be completly impartial about the results, otherwise any belief against His existance or that He cannot talk with you will block His voice and you won't be able to listen to Him. If you don't believe He exists, how can He talk with you? So, you don't need to believe, you just need to be intentionally impartial about it.
Vienna,
Read carefully what I wrote...
Read carefully what I wrote...
Muzzleman: You gonna read this or not?
"I dont, do you? I only believe in claims with proof, Im not delusional and believe in Giant purple squid monkey, aliens, atheism, and nature as chance, all these have one thing in common. THERE ARENT ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM."
I was in no way CLAIMing anything. You are jumping conclusions from my simple quetion. In any case, there was a reason for this question. You keep telling me that there are billions of witnesses to god, and then you say there are millions alive today. I know for a fact that billions of witnesses HAVE NOT been documented. You can speculate all you want about witnesses.
IN ANY CASE, you say you disbelieve in aliens. May I ask why? There are millions of "witnesses" to aliens as to jesus or god or whatever. Therefore, your arguement is a falicy. You prove god with many "eyewitnesses" (I won't even go into trying to disprove it, it would not get anywhere), yet you disbelieve in aliens, which also have "eyewitness" evidence.
So, can we let that arguement pass, so we can move on to your next argument?
"Show me healing, supernatural/miracles documented in the name of tooth fairy. How many died for tooth fairy to verify its value?"
HA! You use myth, following, and radicalism to verify something!? That makes me laugh. Greek mythology is something you obviously don't belive in, yet there were millions of people who believed them and I'm sure some people that do now. I can see how a prophesy that noone will believe them could make greek myth believers look stupid in your eyes. In greek myth, there were many cases of supernatural things and "miricles" although the greeks had a slightly less pathetic view of their gods. They feared them, but had the idea that their gods were not perfect and had human qualities, whereas christians depict god as human yet say he is perfect yet there is plenty of undeserved suffering. In greek mythology any suffering would be for a findable reason.
Many people died for the greek gods, does this make the true?
Many people "witnessed" (believed in) greek gods; does this make the true?
Again can we move on from these hypocracies?
"AND U WONDER WHY I TYPE IN CAPS? BECAUSE YOU SEEM ILLITERATE!!! DO YOU GET THAT?"
You realize that talking in caps will not help illiterate people read, thats why me and cris think you are STUPID!! DO YOU GET THAT?!!!!
"AGAIN GOD IS ALL KNOWING, OMNISCIENCE, NOT ALL DOING TODAY AND TOMMORROW"
Ok I can see your point. DON'T fucking talk in caps ANYMORE though. I'm reading you idiotic arguments, muscleman, and I can understand your thinking. YET, I am trying to convince you that that way of thinking is a falicy. OK?
Ok, god knows what is going to happen. Therefore things ARE preordained. You can argue that god did not preordain things and I can accept that back arguement. BUT for god to KNOW that something will happen, SOMEBODY must have PREORDAINED it.
As you quoted, preordained means "1. To determine, decide, or establish in advance", correct? And if god KNOWS something in advance, is not it ESTABLISHED in god's mind before it happens? Its something to think about. For the other arguments you had I can safely say I disproved the validity of them, but this one is for you to think over.
"Quote the sentence where it says that, LOL, Im waiting"
I think most experts agree that the bible says that. I'm no expert and I have no time to bust out an internet bible and quote from it. Look it up and tell me if you find any date that people agree the bible tells that is more than a few thousand years old, for earth. K?
"I dont, do you? I only believe in claims with proof, Im not delusional and believe in Giant purple squid monkey, aliens, atheism, and nature as chance, all these have one thing in common. THERE ARENT ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM."
I was in no way CLAIMing anything. You are jumping conclusions from my simple quetion. In any case, there was a reason for this question. You keep telling me that there are billions of witnesses to god, and then you say there are millions alive today. I know for a fact that billions of witnesses HAVE NOT been documented. You can speculate all you want about witnesses.
IN ANY CASE, you say you disbelieve in aliens. May I ask why? There are millions of "witnesses" to aliens as to jesus or god or whatever. Therefore, your arguement is a falicy. You prove god with many "eyewitnesses" (I won't even go into trying to disprove it, it would not get anywhere), yet you disbelieve in aliens, which also have "eyewitness" evidence.
So, can we let that arguement pass, so we can move on to your next argument?
"Show me healing, supernatural/miracles documented in the name of tooth fairy. How many died for tooth fairy to verify its value?"
HA! You use myth, following, and radicalism to verify something!? That makes me laugh. Greek mythology is something you obviously don't belive in, yet there were millions of people who believed them and I'm sure some people that do now. I can see how a prophesy that noone will believe them could make greek myth believers look stupid in your eyes. In greek myth, there were many cases of supernatural things and "miricles" although the greeks had a slightly less pathetic view of their gods. They feared them, but had the idea that their gods were not perfect and had human qualities, whereas christians depict god as human yet say he is perfect yet there is plenty of undeserved suffering. In greek mythology any suffering would be for a findable reason.
Many people died for the greek gods, does this make the true?
Many people "witnessed" (believed in) greek gods; does this make the true?
Again can we move on from these hypocracies?
"AND U WONDER WHY I TYPE IN CAPS? BECAUSE YOU SEEM ILLITERATE!!! DO YOU GET THAT?"
You realize that talking in caps will not help illiterate people read, thats why me and cris think you are STUPID!! DO YOU GET THAT?!!!!
"AGAIN GOD IS ALL KNOWING, OMNISCIENCE, NOT ALL DOING TODAY AND TOMMORROW"
Ok I can see your point. DON'T fucking talk in caps ANYMORE though. I'm reading you idiotic arguments, muscleman, and I can understand your thinking. YET, I am trying to convince you that that way of thinking is a falicy. OK?
Ok, god knows what is going to happen. Therefore things ARE preordained. You can argue that god did not preordain things and I can accept that back arguement. BUT for god to KNOW that something will happen, SOMEBODY must have PREORDAINED it.
As you quoted, preordained means "1. To determine, decide, or establish in advance", correct? And if god KNOWS something in advance, is not it ESTABLISHED in god's mind before it happens? Its something to think about. For the other arguments you had I can safely say I disproved the validity of them, but this one is for you to think over.
"Quote the sentence where it says that, LOL, Im waiting"
I think most experts agree that the bible says that. I'm no expert and I have no time to bust out an internet bible and quote from it. Look it up and tell me if you find any date that people agree the bible tells that is more than a few thousand years old, for earth. K?
Muscleman:
"Fact. 1. Not one scientist can create any life form
Fact. 2. Evolution, Big Bang, is a theory which have not been demonstrated
Fact. 3. Scientist cannot even explain how to cure cancers, why then do they claim they can explain the existence of a life form?
Fact. 4. Any claims, from "Nature as chance", to "God is real", needs substancial evidence"
Fact 1: Not one scientist can create a spaceship to travel to another star in the lifetime of a human
Fact 2: The existance of other solar systems is a theory which has not been demonstrated.
Fact 3: Scientists cannot even explain how other solar systems were made, so how can they claim to explain the existance of the universe? (note that this "fact" is also incorrect as "wasupall" 's was)
Fact 4: Everything needs substantial evidence. Other solarsystems have none, Satan tricking us into believing this, however, does have massive evidence. (again note the idiocy of this statement save the remark about evidence)
THEREFORE, other solarsystems don't exist. Do you agree?
"Fact. 1. Not one scientist can create any life form
Fact. 2. Evolution, Big Bang, is a theory which have not been demonstrated
Fact. 3. Scientist cannot even explain how to cure cancers, why then do they claim they can explain the existence of a life form?
Fact. 4. Any claims, from "Nature as chance", to "God is real", needs substancial evidence"
Fact 1: Not one scientist can create a spaceship to travel to another star in the lifetime of a human
Fact 2: The existance of other solar systems is a theory which has not been demonstrated.
Fact 3: Scientists cannot even explain how other solar systems were made, so how can they claim to explain the existance of the universe? (note that this "fact" is also incorrect as "wasupall" 's was)
Fact 4: Everything needs substantial evidence. Other solarsystems have none, Satan tricking us into believing this, however, does have massive evidence. (again note the idiocy of this statement save the remark about evidence)
THEREFORE, other solarsystems don't exist. Do you agree?
Vienna,
It's for you too...
A perfect answer TruthSeeker!
It's for you too...
Truthseeker
If you don't believe He exists, how can He talk with you?
But if he existed, there would be no need to have faith, hence no need to believe. I would suspect he would be most interested in providing me with some sort of indication that he did exist.
How did the forefathers of religion "know" he existed in the first place ? Why not impart this knowledge to me first hand ?
If you don't believe He exists, how can He talk with you?
But if he existed, there would be no need to have faith, hence no need to believe. I would suspect he would be most interested in providing me with some sort of indication that he did exist.
How did the forefathers of religion "know" he existed in the first place ? Why not impart this knowledge to me first hand ?