@ Tiassa,
I would tell teenagers today that when they use hands free phones they look like Schizophrenics muttering to themselves.
It is my belief racism had nothing to do with why Treyvon was shot, and had he been a strange white kid dressed the same and acting the same, the same results would have transpired.
But let us take two effective portions of your argument in order to make the point:
• Trayvon Martin acting like a teenager is his own threatening fault because ... er ... um ... well, apparently it isn't so much a black kid acting like a teenager, though you've clearly made the point for us.
Any neighborhood watch will watch a strange teen in their neighborhood regardless of race. There is a large percentage of Black/Hispanic neighborhood watch (like GZ). Would you suspect a strange teen more if he/she was black? Half the neighborhood was black/Hispanic.
• At the same time, you object to the "racism" of a black father giving his son "The Talk" in which the younger generation is taught why it cannot behave the way Trayvon Martin did, at stake of their lives.
No. If you want to tell your children not to grow up to be a thug that beats people up for snitching and tell them not to sell guns to children then I am all for that. In fact I encourage everyone to teach their kids not to act like a thug.
(SEE PHONE RECORDS BELOW TO SHOW WHY I CONSIDER TREYVON A THUG. IT IS BECAUSE OF TEXTS, NOT RACE).
To the one, a black kid must be black, and cannot be a kid.
To the other, if that black kid's father is taught exactly that, you complain about the racism.
The only person interjecting race into those above points is you.
In the end, the only thing we can conclude from these points is that in any situation, regardless of the circumstance, you hold the black person to be wrong.
I hold "a black person" as wrong, but buy saying "a black person", I really mean you. I think you should teach your children they can grow up to be anything they dream of, but if you wish to tell your kids they will be held down by "The Man", then go ahead. I've heard of freakier parenting styles.
After all, he can't act like anyone else, simply because he's black. But explaining that he cannot act like aynone else simply because he is black is racist againt the white people who are afraid of a black male acting like anyone else.
Wow! It's like you walked out of the 1940's or something. I cannot judge your redneck pocket of the Earth, but my god if racism is that bad there go live someplace real. Does the south ban all television shows, because I can guarantee you there is a bi-racial couple in EVERY single dramatic or comedy television series. I own 10 acres of land in Florida, I'm guessing I should winter in Texas instead (After Kids move out).
As you know I am in a bi racial marriage, and I can tell you I have traveled coast to coast, vacationed in Jamaica and Cuba, and my kids have probably been to Disney World more times than most Florida natives. We have never had anyone treat us in a way that seemed disrespectful. Maybe they say stuff behind our backs, but I don't think anyone really cares that much.
Times, they are a changing. Heck, Someday there may even be a black president. It is not me who is naive about life in America. I would argue you are only witnessing a small slice of it.
I am 46 years old and very well traveled. I have never heard a white person call a black person "nigger". I have heard black people call other black people using that term, but I don't think anybody actually thinks poorly of other races anymore. Do you live in the country, surrounded by cotton farms or something? I find it hard to believe race is a barrier in any city.
Tell your child to get a good education. Don't tell them not to bother because blacks cannot be Doctors. That's bull.
I can tell you one place I experienced a lot of racism, and that was from natives (Indians) while living in Alberta Canada. Not so much in the city, but often they were very clear they did not like "White Men". Other than that I believe Canada and the US are mostly racism free.
I had a black girlfriend whom I took to Vegas when we lived in BC and that was 20 years ago. I have had Girlfriends in Toronto from just about every nationality over the years. Black, East Indian, West Indian, Filipina, Chinese, Jewish, etc. No big deal, and I would not hesitate to take them to any American city.
You guys dump on your country pretty harshly. Waa, Waa, Waa, it sucks to be an American, Whine, Whine. Do any of you work in an office where ethnicity is not a factor? Honestly?
I've hired all kinds of ethnicities. I had one guy straight off the boat from India show up with bare feet in a steel toe environment. I let him work the shift that way because I desperately needed a worker, and there was no machinery around.
If your son is a doctor he will get respect from everyone, even rednecks. Same goes with any job they want.
I recently gave my kids a talk. I told them to pick a vocation that will be around in 40 years. My parents had a booming Printing company, but Press Speeds quadrupled, Digital Printing kicked in, and Computers phased out need for paper. They shut the doors and retired.
I wrote a childrens book and my best friend (who is Black) did the illustrations. She was also my roommate before I met my wife. She is Black, but attended the same University as me and is also a Soil Engineer like me. We met at work. She was an adopted black girl into a black family. (Since we are discussing race and society). She grew up in a small Northern Ontario Community (Collingwood) and was "Student President" of her school. Through student loans she attended Queens University and makes a good living. She was thinking about becoming a bylaw officer (***Soil Engineering has same type of duties as Bylaw officers apparently) and making $85 000/year, and she is only around 30. *** They both Drive to various locations, research problems, file reports, etc.
Now let's get back to Treyvon.
First if Treyvon was on Trial we would be discussing his rights, but he is not. Zimmerman is (Was really). You assume Zimmerman profiled him because he was black. Maybe yes, maybe no. Zimmerman had called police to report suspicious White people in the neighborhood before. I know you won't count those because you only count the blacks he reported. Because he is "The Man", oppressing you and all.
You say Zimmerman started it. He said Treyvon did. The difference is he was actually there.
Zimmerman NEVER followed Treyvon a single inch in his Truck after Treyvon suspected GZ was watching him. He was parked in that one spot through the entire ordeal. Treyvon did not notice GZ until after he was parked according to Deedee. So GZ never followed him by car.
After Treyvon vanished down the path, THEN GZ got out and walked down the path and he stopped when the police told him to. He was 19 seconds away from his truck and at the crime scene. Treyvon had gone south on the path and was gone for several minutes with his home only 300 feet south of GZ. Watch.. This video is good because you can hear door slam with stopwatch..
PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO HOW LONG HE WAS OUT OF SIGHT. HIS HOME WAS 300 FEET AWAY. HE COULD HAVE GONE HOME AND HAD A BBQ IN THE TIME HE WAS GONE FROM SIGHT.
[video=youtube;hj3_krn5mAQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj3_krn5mAQ[/video]
TREYVON MADE IT HOME. 3 witnesses placed him there, and his BROTHER said he went through the back gate. Listen to this statement.
[video=youtube;jIbHdS5OG6A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIbHdS5OG6A[/video]
His brother said he KNEW TREYVON CAME IN THE BACK GATE AND WAS SITTING ON THE PORCH. Deedee also said he made it home. Brandy Green also said he went to store and then was sitting out on the porch. He had ample time. His Girlfriend said Treyvon had lost Zimmerman, and he was out of sight, and that he was by his house.
IF he was by his house, how did he get 100 yards (300 ft) North to the T intersection. Did George march him at Gunpoint from his house? How? Seriously.. How?
I know you guys prefer your racism tirades over real facts, but at least answer that question.
@ Tiassa,
Forget Race. Forget the following. Forget everything.
Was there reasonable doubt GZ started the fight. That's all a Jury needs is reasonable doubt.
Now earlier I said don't teach your kidsto be thugs. I don't care that Treyvon is not on trial here, but this is evidence Treyvon was a guy who fought and lived a violent lifestyle. Ignore it if you wish, but it is fairly blatant to anybody smart enough to read it and understand the slang.
Trayvon: I gotta bill right na for sum fire
read: You want a 22 revolver
read repeating: You want a 22 revolver
Trayvon:Wat shoota??
read : dat me u ass u dnt know how ur chick look
Trayvon: Can fool meet me at da gym??
Trayvon :Bru om here
Trayvon: tell fool I got 80 for him right na
(NOTE: It seems he is buying a 22 caliber revolver according to above).
read: You know somebody with some 38
Trayvon: Yea 150
read: You like other stuff too
read : You got suin for the 80 or 90
Trayvon: That's how much U got??
Trayvon: U Wanna share a .380 w/(name blacked out)
read:who
read: wat with da money I gave you
Trayvon yeah nd he gon put in
read :How ima gt da fire
Trayvon yall gon split it
read: it's gne b at my crib
(NOTE: It seems he is selling a .38 caliber handgun here, and trying to talk person into "Sharing" a gun).
read:You want 150 4 the 38
Trayvon: Naw Im finna get it 2 late
From Extraction report # 5
Trayvon: U Wanna share a .380 w/(name blacked out)
read:who
read: wat with da money I gave you
Trayvon yeah nd he gon put in
read :How ima gt da fire
Trayvon yall gon split it
read: it's gne b at my crib
Trayvon: U wanna shar it w/(name blacked out again)
read: Na am finna cop a 38 4 a face
Taken from Extraction report # 8
read: You want a .22 revolver
Trayvon : yoo
NOTE: SOME IDIOTS ON THIS THREAD HAVE SUGGESTED MAYBE THESE WERE LEGAL GUN TRANSACTIONS. It is not legal for people to SHARE OWNERSHIP of a .38 handgun as Trayvon suggests above. (Smacks Morons in Face.)
2.VIOLENT ASSAULTS (PLURAL),
Taken From Extraction report # 1
Trayvon: Yea cause he got mo hits cause da 1st round he had me on the ground nd i couldn't do ntn.
Trayvon: naw my ol g say she dont want me home cause she think ima get in mo trouble *
Trayvon continued: fighting
read: WAT YHOU DID
Trayvon: : Fightn
Taken from Extraction report # 3
Read: When you gonna teach me how to fight?
(NOTE: Somebody is seeking Trayvon for fight training. This shows Trayvon is respected a bit as fighter by at least someone).
Taken From Extraction Report # 6
Trayvon: Tired and sore
read: mee too, but wat happen tah yuhh??
Trayvon : Fight
read: Y!?
Trayvon:
Cause Man dat nigga snitched on me
[
NOTE: He is claiming here to beat up a snitch]
read: Bae y yum always fightingg man, ya got suspended?
Trayvon:Naw we thumped afta school in a duckd off spot
read: Ohh Well Damee
Trayvon: I lost da 1st round but I won da 2nd and 3rd .....
read: Ohh so it was 3 rounds ? *Dames well at least yu won lol but yuu needa stop fightingg but forreal
Trayvon: Naw im not done wit fool..... ge gone have 2 see me a again
read: No Bae stop, yuu aint gonna bee satisfied till yuh suspended again huh?
Trayvon:Naw but he aint breed nuff 4 me, only his nose.... but afta dat im done
(
NOTE: Notice Trayvon was not satisfied with a little blood. He wanted more blood).
So ignore this. Beating up snitches and selling illegal guns is common teenage behavior.
@ Tiassa again,
Answer This ... If Beating up snitches is just common Afro American teenage behaviour, then could we not at least imagine this 6'2" Tall and Muscular Teen who was sought as a fighting trainer (in texts above) could have started the fight with 5'7" Zimmerman. Even if Zimmerman was blatantly following him he would have no legal right to punch. The fights yelling had many neighbors respond and dial 911, if Treyvon really was in danger he could have called for help. There was 50 homes within 100 yards.
Zimmerman was 7" shorter than Treyvon and a trainer said his fighting skill was 0.5 out of 10. Zimmermans nose was also targetted as was the Snitches nose.
I think GZ would have followed a white teen. I think the hands free telephone is what made Treyvon look schizophrenic or drugged.
I think there was reasonable doubt X 10.