Maher also had the defense that Trump has never yet disproved orangutan paternity - a birth certificate is not nearly adequate evidence of paternity.
First Transracial Senator?
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RainbowSingularity
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correct me if i am philosophically and intellectually wrong here...
surely defining a person based on hair colour is equal to racism, EVEN IF one is addressing them to be racist.
i am making no claim either way, but calling african americans monkeys would surely be the same racist cultural construction as calling red haired people orangutans ?
while the atribution of the nature of the association may not be to slavery, the word its self in that usage would surely be no different to _igger ?
(im guessing we are not allowed to use that word same as _aggot & _etard ? (different discusion obviousely but related)
... yes i am aware of the suggested opinions of scientists suggesting humans are far more intellectualy closer to orangutans than chimpanzees etc and variant debates about other such concepts...
however the majority of the audience are sheople and so screamign fire in a crowded cinema is still shouting fire in a crowded cinema of people who claim to be more aware of fire hazards...etc
[now not directing this at you iceaura]
...this is the point where you realise your trying to explain rocket science to a rock while thinking how best not to hurt the rocks feelings.
Nope.
Redhaired people were never enslaved in the US, never held to be less than human even informally - let alone by law. There is no "Indonesia ape" stereotype connected with red hair. The cultural connotations are completely different.
RainbowSingularity
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AAah gingerism, good times.
So we are agreed:
So that's settled.
Although, to be relevant, we could bring it around to the cultural connotations of red racial identification - Warren's 1/64 racial heritage, and the race at issue. Those, too, are quite different - being racial, and incorporating slavery and genocide, for starters - from stereotypes attending red hair (which red people do not have).
Lizzie’s redface moment.
Using an open records request during a general inquiry, for example, The Post obtained Warren’s registration card for the State Bar of Texas, providing a previously undisclosed example of Warren identifying as an “American Indian.”
Warren filled out the card by hand in neat blue ink and signed it. Dated April 1986, it is the first document to surface showing Warren making the claim in her own handwriting. Her office didn’t dispute its authenticity.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.c7680650a876
Using an open records request during a general inquiry, for example, The Post obtained Warren’s registration card for the State Bar of Texas, providing a previously undisclosed example of Warren identifying as an “American Indian.”
Warren filled out the card by hand in neat blue ink and signed it. Dated April 1986, it is the first document to surface showing Warren making the claim in her own handwriting. Her office didn’t dispute its authenticity.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.c7680650a876
She's done. At least it's not blackface! But, yeah, there's no way out of this.
RainbowSingularity
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democrat party must been feeling a little flat
there should be an age limit on running for a political office.
i think no one above the age of 60
they must enroll prior to their 60th birthday & be employed no later than 62 years old and may not be re-employed again after their first term once over the age of 65.
if voted in or employed they can have 1 term after their 65th birthday and only that 1 term(3 to 5 years contract term).
the entire American public service is getting filled with delusional elderly people who are out of touch with modern life(spend all their time advertising personal agendas and fighting ego personality battles at the expense of the tax payers), technology and the society they are supposed to be representing.
no one would ever employ such people for a very busy operating officer role.
would never happen in the private sector.
not over 60 they wouldn't
doesn't happen !
they would be rejected on work-life balance grounds suggesting the pace of work would be a risk to health that the company and insurers wont take on.
in political office it appears there is no measure of productivity...
much is the corruption of capitalist politics.
irony !
is it a competition between trump & warren to see who has told the most lies ?
will Harvard law school accept a trump university degree ?
meanwhile the engine room of Americas future is being run by elderly fat egocentric white men...
no apprentices ?
no students ?
no contingency ...
no continuity ...
there should be an age limit on running for a political office.
i think no one above the age of 60
they must enroll prior to their 60th birthday & be employed no later than 62 years old and may not be re-employed again after their first term once over the age of 65.
if voted in or employed they can have 1 term after their 65th birthday and only that 1 term(3 to 5 years contract term).
the entire American public service is getting filled with delusional elderly people who are out of touch with modern life(spend all their time advertising personal agendas and fighting ego personality battles at the expense of the tax payers), technology and the society they are supposed to be representing.
no one would ever employ such people for a very busy operating officer role.
would never happen in the private sector.
not over 60 they wouldn't
doesn't happen !
they would be rejected on work-life balance grounds suggesting the pace of work would be a risk to health that the company and insurers wont take on.
in political office it appears there is no measure of productivity...
much is the corruption of capitalist politics.
irony !
is it a competition between trump & warren to see who has told the most lies ?
will Harvard law school accept a trump university degree ?
meanwhile the engine room of Americas future is being run by elderly fat egocentric white men...
no apprentices ?
no students ?
no contingency ...
no continuity ...
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RainbowSingularity
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RainbowSingularity
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American culture focuses on being the 1st
even when being the 1st means you loose.
it is a big handicap for the culture, more so because this ideology which is indoctrinated into children is also put into the ego manifestation of ideologies that contain other working models of thought.
be those religion or science.
part of the problem is two-fold
on one hand culture dictates people must get justice for past acts
genocide of the native peoples and slavery of the native peoples and slavery of the african americans and slavery of the chinese etc...
meanwhile justice is required for all the racialy motivated violence that has occured over the last 100 years.
this idea of "justice" is installed into white americans as a state of privilege of entitlement.
it has then been adopted to form a concept of moral obligation of culture/custom.
now the term is common place yet has no real meaning.
the fact of the working model for the majority is in fact "Revenge".
Revenge is now the desire for when people say "bring them to justice"
what they want and mean is "Revenge" but in a socially acceptable metaphor.
the word justice by its self has no meaning.
what "justice" do the Republicans think should be brought to bare on E Warren Vs Justice for the native americans is poles apart.
i doubt native americans care too much because it did not injure them to those whos opinions and intellect really matter.
however, underneath it is the implied sense of media common peoples narrative of "expecting" the "need" for "revenge/justice"
and this being metered out in some way to then give a free pass to those of the opposite political side to E warren.
all very morally contemptuous but never the less im fairly sure we will see it play out.
personally, i am disappointed that Liz warren did not come forward the 1st time it was raised and lay it out.
american society lives on borrowed money
those in power lust for power mostly because they are the back stabbers who kill off all the other rivals to get to the top of the shit heap with a bunch of ass kissing sycophants lounging around them playing back stop to rivals as they line their own pockets and ego profiles.
irony that someone like Barack Obama got into the presidency.
unfortunately he did not have an apprentice.
that is the trend of the power system in leadership. to have no one else close and be the maniacal ego dictator, so systems shut out that process to eliminate the non comparative concept.
because they are selling to the same people.
irony ?
maybe.
just choose one, red or blue, no one cares what it is as long as you choose...
look at nepotistic leadership hand-overs. that shows exactly what i mean.
no apprentice of intellect to be seen because they are perceived and schooled to stab the leader in the back and grab the power or the leader is conditioned to expect to be undermined and have the leadership taken from them by someone.
irony ?
is it now a whos the least worst of the bad ?
someone needs to start going high
i doubt the USA will ever again get a couple in the presidency who have such knowledge & experience in upbringing and intellect, and ability to deliver that knowledge to the front row of the media machine.
im an optimist though so my fingers are crossed.
but in reality, is anyone really looking for someone with the background, the upbringing, the intellect and the personal drive to serve the people ?
even when being the 1st means you loose.
it is a big handicap for the culture, more so because this ideology which is indoctrinated into children is also put into the ego manifestation of ideologies that contain other working models of thought.
be those religion or science.
part of the problem is two-fold
on one hand culture dictates people must get justice for past acts
genocide of the native peoples and slavery of the native peoples and slavery of the african americans and slavery of the chinese etc...
meanwhile justice is required for all the racialy motivated violence that has occured over the last 100 years.
this idea of "justice" is installed into white americans as a state of privilege of entitlement.
it has then been adopted to form a concept of moral obligation of culture/custom.
now the term is common place yet has no real meaning.
the fact of the working model for the majority is in fact "Revenge".
Revenge is now the desire for when people say "bring them to justice"
what they want and mean is "Revenge" but in a socially acceptable metaphor.
the word justice by its self has no meaning.
what "justice" do the Republicans think should be brought to bare on E Warren Vs Justice for the native americans is poles apart.
i doubt native americans care too much because it did not injure them to those whos opinions and intellect really matter.
however, underneath it is the implied sense of media common peoples narrative of "expecting" the "need" for "revenge/justice"
and this being metered out in some way to then give a free pass to those of the opposite political side to E warren.
all very morally contemptuous but never the less im fairly sure we will see it play out.
personally, i am disappointed that Liz warren did not come forward the 1st time it was raised and lay it out.
american society lives on borrowed money
those in power lust for power mostly because they are the back stabbers who kill off all the other rivals to get to the top of the shit heap with a bunch of ass kissing sycophants lounging around them playing back stop to rivals as they line their own pockets and ego profiles.
irony that someone like Barack Obama got into the presidency.
unfortunately he did not have an apprentice.
that is the trend of the power system in leadership. to have no one else close and be the maniacal ego dictator, so systems shut out that process to eliminate the non comparative concept.
because they are selling to the same people.
irony ?
maybe.
just choose one, red or blue, no one cares what it is as long as you choose...
look at nepotistic leadership hand-overs. that shows exactly what i mean.
no apprentice of intellect to be seen because they are perceived and schooled to stab the leader in the back and grab the power or the leader is conditioned to expect to be undermined and have the leadership taken from them by someone.
irony ?
is it now a whos the least worst of the bad ?
someone needs to start going high
i doubt the USA will ever again get a couple in the presidency who have such knowledge & experience in upbringing and intellect, and ability to deliver that knowledge to the front row of the media machine.
im an optimist though so my fingers are crossed.
but in reality, is anyone really looking for someone with the background, the upbringing, the intellect and the personal drive to serve the people ?
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RainbowSingularity
Valued Senior Member
This is where you were... and moving forward
look how far you have gone backwards
Yes, but there are various cultures.Meaningless term
Again
there is the human race and zero others
Out of what, exactly?
The consequences of having one's entire mainstream news media feed framed and run by the corporate media wing of the Republican Party?
Probably not. But recognize what happened.
No, it's not blackface. It's not inviting your supporters and allies to hunt with you at "Niggerhead", your family's hunting camp all through the 1990s and early 2000s, either. It's not referring to a nearby supporter, from the official podium, while officially speaking, as "my black guy". It's not even hosting a football team named "The Washington Redskins", or happily condoning the mascot outfit and dancing (in religious vestments) of "Chief Wahoo".
And it sure as hell isn't nominating, to the US Supreme Court, grown men capable of declaring - as an official and formal Court finding, with straight faces - that racism was no longer a significant influence on the voting arrangements of the States of the Confederacy.
Because the reasons for worrying about Warren's relationship with her - apparently accurate, who knew - family history are quite different from the reasons one would worry about the racial psychology of basically every single self-identified Republican politician standing.
As far as governing, policy, reality based assessments, what's happening here is not apples to apples comparing.
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It's less bad than Republican racism, but we are better than that. Hearing a story about a native American ancestor and then calling yourself a member of the tribe? WTF? Stick with local politics, but she will never be president. Not with that kind of social obliviousness.
She did not call herself a member of "the tribe".
She did not "hear a story" - it was her family's history. And credit where due - it turns out to have been accurate, probably, which is not something one can say about all family histories.
Why do you think you are framing like that?
Better than what?
Better than acknowledging - with a certain amount of unearned status or pride, even, as people will do with legends of ancestry - that we have Red ancestors?
She never called herself "a member of the tribe." She said she was American Indian/Native American, which is accurate per US government guidelines, but not very politically savvy.
Calling yourself a native American means you are a member of a tribe. Tons of people have native ancestors (whites did a lot of raping), but shouldn't count themselves as such.
1) She did not do that.
2) No, it doesn't. Being a member of a Tribe is a formally defined status. There is no such established criterion (any more) for being racially "red". They are more or less independent - there are white members of Tribes, black members of Tribes, and red citizens without Tribal membership.
If you are ever invited for dinner with some of my neighbors, I hope you have enough social awareness to check that offensive "native American" language outside. The "natives" can become restless.
Whites also did a lot of marrying, thereby becoming members of a Tribe themselves.
And reds did a fair amount of assimilating, with and without marriage, with and without coercion, losing their Tribal affiliations in the process. My grandmother, for example - if the family story is true.
People with red ancestors are all over the place.