So, considering that Sadaam wasn't one of these radical Muslims, nor was he committing terrorist attacks against the US, can you explain to me again why Iraq was, as you called it, "fair gain"? And I don't mean the WMD bit, because the reason you gave was specifically the roots/top bit.
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So, considering that Sadaam wasn't one of these radical Muslims, nor was he committing terrorist attacks against the US, can you explain to me again why Iraq was, as you called it, "fair gain"? And I don't mean the WMD bit, because the reason you gave was specifically the roots/top bit.
Stop being obtuse. Bush's plan was to remake the middle east. To end the cycle of oppression and dictatorship that feeds extreemism.
Yes, we are drawing in terrorists from all over the place. It's like an Islamic Extreemist Woodstock. They all want to fight the "great Satan" in Iraq. But these are not people who otherwise would have been normal sane Muslims. They are extreemists. Their coming to Iraq allows us to kill them, and make the world a better place. A safer place.
If we stay the course and establish stable governments in Iraq and Afganistan, it will be a serious setback for the Islamofascists. Also, our continued presence there "sucks up all the oxygen" in the extreemist movement.
They're pulling out all the stops to create enough chaos in Iraq that weak willed Democrats force us to pull out and the Islamofascists can declare victory.
If that happens, they can consolidate their power and apply all their attention to real attacks on our soil.
Well, TBH, at first the only reason I saw fit to go into Iraq was because of the high probability of WMDs. Good enough for me, I don't wanna get nuked, I'm sure you don't either.
If you look at Iraq now, you simply cannot tell me that there are no terrorists there that are coming to attack the US or somewhere else, we all know there are. At this point it would do less damage to stay in and finish up, than to do the 'pussy plan', as it shall henceforth be dubbed by me, that the democrats are trying to push through. Again, that links back to the notion the democrats seem to have that says, 'if we pull out now everything be be just like it was before.' Well, sorry people, it won't.
If you look at Iraq now, you simply cannot tell me that there are no terrorists there that are coming to attack the US or somewhere else, we all know there are. At this point it would do less damage to stay in and finish up, than to do the 'pussy plan', as it shall henceforth be dubbed by me, that the democrats are trying to push through. Again, that links back to the notion the democrats seem to have that says, 'if we pull out now everything be be just like it was before.' Well, sorry people, it won't.
Oh no, I agree with you there. From my limited understanding of everything, I feel that we should stay. But it doesn't absolve the fact that we're the reason for that outbreak in terrorists in Iraq. I'm just saying getting rid of terrorism can't be considered a reason for getting into the Iraq war in the first place. Terrorism isn't what made Iraq "fair game" in the beginning.
But the problem is, Iraq is now the top and not the roots we should be cutting. What're the roots now and how do we go after them? :shrug:
How is Iraq the top now? For other roots, just take out a map, find Iraq and look near it. Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, take your pick, all of them would be fine by me. Well, on second thought, I wouldn't do anything to Iran just yet, while, last time I checked, we were having talks with them.
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High recruitment by terrorist organizations because of dissatisfactions with the current state of Iraq resulting in tons of terrorist cannon fodder. It's the top.
And those aren't roots. Those are countries. Who or what specifically in those countries is/are the roots?
All the terrorists coming out of Iraq make Iraq a 'root'. Same with all the other countries. Sure, I was being general, I was hoping that you guys could notice that, I guess not.
Once again, the top is anything that, if you wipe out, it will just keep coming back as if nothing happened.
Once again, the top is anything that, if you wipe out, it will just keep coming back as if nothing happened.
No, the source, the terrorist organizations that are recruiting, that's the root. Not Iraq. And it's pretty obvious you were being general, I'm asking you to be more specific.
Are the roots, the terrorist organizations, based in Iraq? Are they focused in any of the countries you mentioned? Where or what is the leadership? That's what we should be focusing on if we want to have a real "war on terror." And like I think it was spidergoat who said it earlier, it's police work that's going to get those results.
The only thing is that police work is limited to the US...I believe we are talking about the Middle East here, good idea, though apparently it wasn't really thought out.
Also, fine, I'll be more specific. The 'roots' are the terrorist organizations in: Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, etc. Happy?
Also, fine, I'll be more specific. The 'roots' are the terrorist organizations in: Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Palestine, etc. Happy?
Very happy, thanks.
The idea of an international police force dedicated to stop terrorism is the best way to go. Whether or not it can actually be created and effective is up in the air, but it would give better results that simply invading countries and decimating their infrastructure like we did in Iraq, which ultimately just caused more terrorism in the region.
In fact, I think most things would give better results than the Iraq invasion.
Well, generally isn't that what the UN is for? Also, every country already has it's own police force, it just is questionable where the force's affinity lies: for the better of the people in the country or for the preservation of the government. Unfortunately, most force have gone with the 'what's better for the government'.
I just can't see a reason to put in yet another police force, we already have enough ineffective redundancy. What we need is definitive action. If sending 150K troops and quite possibly more into a country isn't definitive I don't know what is.
At your last statement: Well, unfortunately, we'll never know, so what's the point of looking back at it? Now that we're there, I would probably send in even more troops than are already there; I'd prefer not to drag this out anymore than necessary.
I just can't see a reason to put in yet another police force, we already have enough ineffective redundancy. What we need is definitive action. If sending 150K troops and quite possibly more into a country isn't definitive I don't know what is.
At your last statement: Well, unfortunately, we'll never know, so what's the point of looking back at it? Now that we're there, I would probably send in even more troops than are already there; I'd prefer not to drag this out anymore than necessary.
That John Wayne talk is also useless. Our war in Iraq has had quite the opposite effect, hasn't it?
That's the problem, it doesn't produce results. As of right now, the sending of 150k troops and quite possibly more into a country has only increased terrorism, not curbed it.
I agree. It was meant to dissuade any ideas of repeating the invasion of Iraq on some other country for similar reasons.
What's a liberal? Most of the US wants to stop terrorism, and they want the war in Iraq to end, it's not a "liberal" view.
Just because the liberals have a numerical advantage doesn't make it not a liberal view.
Oh, but it is producing results, all the terrorists are killing themselves and possible future terrorists (I'm kidding of course...well, kinda, I'm kinda being serious too). On a more serious note, we are producing results, the government is starting to take over, the police forces are starting to do their jobs, the Sunnis are starting to ask for help, etc. I think it's a pretty big misconception that we aren't getting anywhere, because we clearly are.
Oh man, it's late, I'm off to bed.
Oh, but it is producing results, all the terrorists are killing themselves and possible future terrorists (I'm kidding of course...well, kinda, I'm kinda being serious too). On a more serious note, we are producing results, the government is starting to take over, the police forces are starting to do their jobs, the Sunnis are starting to ask for help, etc. I think it's a pretty big misconception that we aren't getting anywhere, because we clearly are.
Oh man, it's late, I'm off to bed.
We're getting somewhere in cleaning up our mistake in Iraq. But in terms of destroying terrorism as a whole, no we're not.