Evolutionary Theory responsible for Nazism

[Tjalian]

Are You Out Of Your Minds!!!!????

Affirmative.

 

[Hapsburg]

The Church provides dogmatic provisions for a just war.

It wasn't a just war, moron. No warfare is just. Killing people isn't just, no matter who says to the contrary. It's common fucking sense.
Great Odin's beard, what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Lawdog]

No war is just? Hapsburg, do we really need to go any further? You cant handle the Truth.

 

[Hapsburg]

Mein Gott in Himmel, you are insane.
How can you actually think that warfare is right, that it is just? What the fuck is wrong with you? I don't know if you are *new* to society, but killing people isn't O.K. For any reason. It's ending someone's life, dammit. A real human being's life.
You are a very sick man, lawdog... :bugeye:

 

[Tjalian]

Please people believe in Jesus, he will save you from hell of nazi evolutionary theory !

 

[Hapsburg]

Yeah...I'm pretty sure you'r Jadon, now.
Having multiple clone accounts is very much against the forum rules...

 

[Raithere]

Unfortunately, your graceful and beloved theory of Evolution has a dark side when combined with astheistic and neopaganism/humanism:

Why don't we see what Hitler had to say on the issue:

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." - Adolf Hitler

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity. -Adolf Hitler

Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church. - Adolf Hitler

I am absolutely convinced of the great power and the deep significance of the Christian religion, and consequently will not permit any other founders of religion (Religionsstifter). Therefore I have turned against Ludendoriff and separated myself from him; therefore I reject Rosenberg's book. That book is written by a Protestant. It is not a party book. It is not written by him as a member of the party. The Protestants can settle matters with him. - Adolf Hitler

And from his fellow Nazi's:

"Although he himself [Hitler] was a Catholic, he wished the Protestant Church to have a stronger position in Germany, since Germany was two-thirds Protestant." -Hermann Göring

"With the Catholic Church the Führer ordered a concordat to be concluded by Herr Von Papen. Shortly before that agreement was concluded by Herr Von Papen I visited the Pope myself. I had numerous connections with the higher Catholic clergy because of my Catholic mother, and thus-- I am myself a Protestant-- I had a view of both camps." - Hermann Göring

"We believe that the Fuhrer is fulfilling a divine mission to German destiny! This belief is beyond challenge. " - Rudolf Hess

"I swear before God this holy oath, that I shall give absolute confidence to the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people." -Heinrich Himmler, reminding his hearers about the oath taken by all SS men as well as by the military forces (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)

We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great house of God, including all classes, professions and creeds, where the Fuhrer as our mediator stood before the throne of the Almighty. - Joseph Goebbels, in a broadcast, 19 April 1936

We believe on this earth in Adolf Hitler alone! We believe in National Socialism as the creed which is the sole source of grace! We believe that Almighty God has sent us Adolf Hitler so that he may rid Germany of the hypocrites and Pharisees. - Robert Ley

Germans must fight Jews, that organized body of world criminals against whom Christ, the greatest anti-Semite of all time, had fought. -Julius Streicher

It is quite obvious that Hitler and the rest of the Nazi scum considered themselves to be Christian and doing God's own work. Of course, Hitler's Anti-Semitism is likewise derived from a Christian source. Rather than Darwin, his ideas came from Martin Luther:

"I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen." - Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

"He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today." - Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

"Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people." -Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

"Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them." - Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

"...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!" - Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

"Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones." - Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

I think that's enough evidence for now. Case Closed.

~Raithere

 

[SnakeLord]

Lol.. royally fucking owned.

 

[Hapsburg]

Ah, so he was Catholic...

 

[superluminal]

So, lawdog, why are you so blinded to the truth? Hitler was a good christian. Just like you, you complete loon. That's some nice company you keep there bub.

lawdog:

The Church provides in its dogma provisions for a just war.

Fuck the church and jesus with a big cross shaped dildo. Oh I forgot. Priests already do that to alter boys.

"Our father, who art in my ass, phallic be thy shame..."

You stupid, blind asshole.

 

[Lawdog]

Hitler's fake christianity hide a real obssession with the occult and neopagan doctrines of an Aryan Christ, the ubermensch, everyone knows that. Dont try and use quotaions of a madman to try and twist historic facts.

The Devil can quoth scripture for his purpose.

Now, since you have been unable to refute the position of the article that was presented, I will assume that you agree.

 

[superluminal]

Hitler's fake christianity hide a real obssession with the occult and neopagan doctrines of an Aryan Christ, the ubermensch, everyone knows that.

So, Darwins off the hook then?

 

[§outh§tar]

The ubermensch is "an Aryan Christ"?

You are even more - - than I presumed Lawbitch.

It's like saying Goldilocks and the Three Bears is an anti-semitic science fiction story set in a different dimension. Utter bollocks.

Why don't you actually bring some textual evidence?

 

[Raithere]

Hitler's fake christianity hide a real obssession with the occult and neopagan doctrines of an Aryan Christ, the ubermensch, everyone knows that. Dont try and use quotaions of a madman to try and twist historic facts.

Two points here. One, as superluminal was talking about; occult and neopagen doctrines have nothing to do with Atheism or Darwinism. Two, regardless of Hitler's personal beliefs. Even if he was lying, he was speaking to the German people, convincing Christians that his opinions were correct. And the followed him as Christians.

Further quotes from Hitler:

"National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity... For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of today, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life . . . These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles!"

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

But let's look at the article:

Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains.

This is not one of Darwin's ideas, this is simply animal husbandry, a practice that has been understood and used for thousands of years. Long before Darwin was born.

Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel.

The reference is, of course, to Social Darwinism. Notably, Spencer was a philosopher/sociologist and Haeckel was a Lamarckian and a follower of Spencer. Their related ideas are a divergence from the science of biology and not a part of biological Evolutionary theory. Once again, Darwin cannot be held accountable.

Darwin’s notion that evolutionary progress occurs mainly as a result of the elimination of the weak in the struggle for survival

And once again the author shows his ignorance. Evolution is often misunderstood as the elimination of the weak. Survival, in an Evolutionary sense, is strictly about procreation. It doesn't matter how strong or weak you are. It matters how prolific you are. Additionally, deliberately killing off the "weak" would be artifical selection, also known as animal husbandry and we're back again to non-Darwinian concepts.

Although it is no easy task to assess the conflicting motives of Hitler and his supporters, Darwinism-inspired eugenics clearly played a critical role.

As an interesting aside, the U.S. and other nations were also misapplying Evolutionary concepts and had their own Eugenics programs in place prior to WWII.

Expunging of the Judeo-Christian doctrine of the divine origin of humans from mainline German (liberal) theology and its schools, and replacing it with Darwinism, openly contributed to the acceptance of Social Darwinism that culminated in the tragedy of the holocaust.

This, of course, was never done.

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . ." - Hitler

Furthermore, the primary reason that Nazism reached to the extent of the holocaust was the widespread acceptance of Social Darwinism by the scientific and academic community.

And here we finally get some truth. None of this has anything to do with Science, Evolution, or Atheism. It's about Social Darwinism (as I stated above) which has nothing to do with any of the other topics.

I note you seem to have nothing to say about Martin Luther's opinions.

If we can lay responsibility for the Holocaust at Darwin's feet because people misinterpreted and misapplied his ideas we must also lay responsibility for the Holocaust at the feet of Jesus Christ for people doing the same thing to his ideas. Oh and don't forget the Crusades, the Witch Trials, the Inquisition, the slaughters in Rwanda and Bosnia. If these are the fruits of Jesus, of God, then he has a fair amount more to answer for than poor old Charles.

~Raithere

 

[okinrus]

It is quite obvious that Hitler and the rest of the Nazi scum considered themselves to be Christian and doing God's own work. Of course, Hitler's Anti-Semitism is likewise derived from a Christian source. Rather than Darwin, his ideas came from Martin Luther:

I don't know for a fact whether Hitler was exposed to Martin Luther's writings on Jews. But what we do know, however, is his reading of anti-semetic german nationalist works beforehand. His purity of blood line obsession is cause by social dawinism and is absent in Martin Luther's writings.

It is quite obvious that Hitler and the rest of the Nazi scum considered themselves to be Christian and doing God's own work. Of course, Hitler's Anti-Semitism is likewise derived from a Christian source. Rather than Darwin, his ideas came from Martin Luther:

In his table talk writings Hitler denounces Christianity. So, more likely, both people and religion were tools to Hitler. He'd lie about his faith if he'd think it would give more power.

 

[Raithere]

I don't know for a fact whether Hitler was exposed to Martin Luther's writings on Jews. But what we do know, however, is his reading of anti-semetic german nationalist works beforehand. His purity of blood line obsession is cause by social dawinism and is absent in Martin Luther's writings.

Hitler mentions Luther in Table Talk and in Mein Kampf so it seems likely that he would have more than a superficial exposure to Luther's writing. On the other hand, to the best of my knowledge, Hitler never once mentioned Darwin. But neither Luther nor Hitler invented anti-semitism, they didn't even introduce it to Europe. It was prevalent throughout Europe through the dark-ages and during the inquisition. Martin Luther's writings are simply an example of its prevalence within Christianity. And certainly a much more direct link to his "Final Solution" than a perversion of Darwin's theory.

In his table talk writings Hitler denounces Christianity. So, more likely, both people and religion were tools to Hitler. He'd lie about his faith if he'd think it would give more power.

As I said to Lawdog, Hitler's personal opinion really isn't the point. The quotations I referenced were directed towards Christians. From what I've read, it seems that Hitler believed in Christianity but also believed it should serve the cause of his Aryan nation. In any case, it certainly wasn't an Atheistic or Darwinist agenda that he had as Lawdog and the brain-dead author of the article he referenced are asserting.

~Raithere

 

[Lawdog]

Hitler mentions Luther in Table Talk and in Mein Kampf so it seems likely that he would have more than a superficial exposure to Luther's writing. On the other hand, to the best of my knowledge, Hitler never once mentioned Darwin. But neither Luther nor Hitler invented anti-semitism, they didn't even introduce it to Europe. It was prevalent throughout Europe through the dark-ages and during the inquisition. Martin Luther's writings are simply an example of its prevalence within Christianity. And certainly a much more direct link to his "Final Solution" than a perversion of Darwin's theory.

Luther does not represent genuine Christian doctrine anyway. You need to explain to me why Hitler had many thousands of Catholics put in death camps along with the Jews. His only purpose for promoting ideas and saying he believed in Christianity and the German Church and such is so that he could get elected. It would not have otherwise been possible for the liar to have been elected. Mein Kampf was written long before he came into power, when perhaps he may have even had some lingering interest in Religion as a social tool. It was not long after his rise to power that the Bible was outlawed in Germany, pagan festivals were observed, idols erected, the Aryan Christ joined the pantheon of ancient Germanic gods, jews and christians with any integrity were persecuted. A brief reading of Hitlers favorite philosopher Neiztche, like his work "the AntiChrist" will help you understand.

You seem to want to separate Social Darwinism from Evolution. You are walking a very sticky wicket.

Furthermore, you should be very careful about talking about Christ in that way, like blaming him for stuff. Remember my friend, Death will come for you someday, who will you turn to then?

 

[tecoyah]

After reading this entire thread I have a couple very simple questions for you...Lawdog

Do you consider the Church you belong to/follow to be the correct form of Chrisianity?

And...if so, Why?


If you decide to answer these....I will follow up with a few more, and in doing so prove beyond a doubt the failure of your Dogmatic belief structure.

Or....you could simply Quote your Bible again...as I am sure it is the correct one out of the seven or so translations I have read to date.

 

[okinrus]

Hitler mentions Luther in Table Talk and in Mein Kampf so it seems likely that he would have more than a superficial exposure to Luther's writing.

I don't see how before as a catholic and latter as a non-catholic he'd wind up reading Martin Luther's writings, much less his attack on Jews. But perhaps he could have.

Martin Luther's writings are simply an example of its prevalence within Christianity. And certainly a much more direct link to his "Final Solution" than a perversion of Darwin's theory.

Well, theologians such as Thomas Aquinas took a more moderate approach to the Jews. And back in the middle ages they didn't care so much about race. So-call racially pure pagans simply weren't allowed to practice their rituals, while the Jews were allowed, though restricted somewhat.

 

[KennyJC]

I believe that Lawdog is a troll who is actually an athiest under the guise of a fundamentalist christian/creatonist in order to prove a point how dumb they can actually be.

At least I hope that's the case as surely nobody can be this dumb...