The clerics of Medieval Europe thought it was absolute fact that Creationism was true. Again, they were disproven, and you can be too.
Clearly there is a difference in the understanding of the word 'fact' between modern day scientists and clerics of medieval Europe. Frankly it doesn't come as a surprise.
Done? Far from it! We still have to find out how the universe began.
There was a giant mashed potato and a giant sausage - both eternal. As chance would have it they accidentally collided and caused the big bang(ers and mash). Look, any idiot can postulate any idiotic idea he feels is warranted. Short of some mildly interesting conversation after a few pints, I fail to see its value.
You have diddly squat to present for your "god did it" hypothesis and so there really is nothing to discuss. Come back to me when you have something.
Much more; certainly a rational man like yourself can see how the concept arises?
Absolutely. It is hardly worth mentioning how ancient people, (that knew nothing about the world let alone the universe), created thousands of invisible gods to explain the things they couldn't understand but that modern day people have invented a grand total of zero, (well, let's give Hubby some merit.. 1).
There was a time when the gods were responsible in matters of weather, (indeed the bible is full of passages concerning that gods control over the weather). For centuries the religious masses, the churches thought that god was the cause of lightning. Franklin and the lightning rod put and end to that. For a while the churches wouldn't dare use these things - weather was in the hands of god. It took a while for them to notice that places with lightning rods didn't get damage while those that didn't have rods kept receiving damage. But it's the will of god the chuches would argue, unable to separate facts from their fiction. In 1767 the church in Venice, having stored two hundred thousand pounds of gunpowder in its vaults, got whacked by lightning and caused one sixth of the entire city to be destroyed and over 3,000 lives to be lost. This was seventeen years
after Franklins discovery - all because there are those that would rather cling to hocus pocus than understand, acknowledge and accept facts. It doesn't stop there, countless religious twerps died because of their inability to learn.
But now in the year 2008 you wont find one religious person that claims that the weather is controlled by gods. Long ago did they forget the claims in their book to gods making the weather, controlling the weather, making rainbows as signs of godly promises. Nope, even the theists had to cave in eventually to reality, to facts.
Since then they have shifted their attention to evolution. It is exactly the same as the weather - a fact they must ignore. In this instance it likely wont be as disasterous to them and so they will hang onto it longer. It doesn't make it less stupid. The thing is of course that the moderates are actually collapsing already. Now they come up with your statement: "well, our god exists.. he uhh made evolution". It's idiocy wrapped up in idiocy.
And what do we have left in the year 2008? "Well, gods are 'possible', no we have no evidence but.. well, they're possible". Indeed, and that is the only niche that the religious can hold on to. No, we've long since forgotten about the weather, about plagues, about fortune and misfortune etc etc. The theist world is crumbling into the dust right before his eyes and once when religion and gods have finally gone the way of the dodo - people will still understand how the concept arose.
In fact even the children understand it. They sit there and work out that they have parents and their parents have parents and their grandparents have parents.. A long way down the line they come up with a "higher" parent. That's when they turn around and ask "dad, who made god?"
It is that level of thinking which continues into adulthood in the theist mind.
Higher, as in, more advanced. What's ridiculous about the idea of higher life?
More advanced how? Don't get me wrong but earlier you used the word 'god'. With that word comes a lot of baggage. Do you now just mean some alien civ?
We are imperfect beings....Ok? What does that mean? If you were God, would you have created man to be perfect?
Perfect? I don't use the word - indeed I consider it a meaningless word. Would I give people a blind spot? No. Would I have them grow wisdom teeth? No. Would I cause cows, ducks, cats, people, etc etc to grow all kinds of useless limbs for no good reason? No.
Oh, incase you were wondering:
Frankly that is stupid, plain and simple idiocy -
if you are going to use words such as "advanced", "intelligent", "higher". My grandmother is smarter and shes 96 and one gunman short of a posse.
Exactly, there is nothing ridiculous about the concept of more advanced life.
Strange, for most theists there is. The very notion of alien entities kind of upsets them typically. Still, I agree with you - theists are weird.
Look, if we're talking little green men then let me know. Earlier you said "god". There comes a lot of baggage with that word.
I think we are on different terms here; you think I'm referring to "God" in a supernatural/magical way.
Look man, nowadays it seems you new age theists are using god in any bloody way you feel like. Kinda hard to keep up.
