786 said:
This is a two way street. So listen to us as well. Don't be so cock sure of yourself for it damn sure isn't justified.
Mutation DOESN'T add any NEW GENETICAL MATERIAL for something or someone to aquire NEW organs or change the shape or anything else.
You seem to have a total lack of understanding of mutation and DNA. Be it by accident, chance or whatever, man now routinely changes (mutates by will) the DNA chain as is already producing modified creatures and crops.
To suggest that such changes not only have not happened by chance over millions of years but cannot change creatures, is simply to ignore where science actually is today.
Mutation only harms an animal, it doesn't create a whole new being.
True but what your response fails to recognize is that it creates a animal with slighly different, trates, characteristics, etc and subsequent chance changes in its offspring make further changes.
It's all completely BULLSHIT. It is the BIGGEST SCIENTIFIC PROPOGANDA in this world.
Big words but no actual worth to them. The greatest propaganda is the arguement of an Allah (or any God). They repeatedly show a disjunctive chain of change - i.e. from a fish to a mammal, etc and do not show the millions of slow changes which have been found presenting a very good record of transition.
Are there gaps? You bet. Are there still questions? You bet. Is Allah or Gods the answer - No damn way.
I recommend you watch this video. It talks about Natural Selectoin, Mutation, and the Fossil record.
OK. I watched. Would you like a frank opinion? Probably not but since you seem to like to give yours I'll give mine.
Interesting film. A lot of good facts. Nice photographry. Unfortunately it is FILLED with propaganda and basless assumptions and deliberate distortions of the true results of scientific study.
To illustrate my point. You begin by saying it is fact and proven, etc and that it is not a biased program. What a crock of crap. Are you blind or simply brain dead?
Within the first 5 minutes.
1 - It asserts proof that the universe and life are the work of a "Plan", a "Design" by an all powerful Creator and that that creator is Allah. No such proof is ever given in the entire film, much less the first 5 minutes.
2 - It distorts learning and change as being refutation of science and proof of God and not as normal progress in our learning and understandings.
3 - It starts within the first 5 minutes by making a senseless character assination of Darwin. It mentions that Karl Marx admired Darwin and dedicated a book to him and wrote that he admired Darwin.
What the hell does that have to do with Darwins Theory? I see nothing saying that Darwin admired Karl Marx. If it did I might have a different opinion of Darwin but that still would have absolutely no bearing on Darwins Theory.
It is propaganda of the worst kind pure and simple - Character assination, not even by association but by innuendo. Arrrggghhhh!
You believe what the hell you choose. It is your perogative. I choose to believe we came from apes. Not because Darwin says so or that we have compiled a complete record of transistions but because it beats the hell out of believing in Allah or any God.
Because while Miller in 1953 may not have created man from inorganic material he did indeed create organic material from inorganic material. Because amino acids and such building blocks of life have been found in great clouds thoughout the universe. Because inspite of the distortion of the record and capitalizing on a few errors along the way there is far more evidence for evolution (by whatever means) than for anyother process. Because any rational consideration of the magnitude of the universe and our current findings suggest that the universe is in fact filled with life and that life on puny earth is not special but that life is a chemical process - a natural one.
I know these words are falling on deaf ears and hence don't be disappointed when I choose to not participate further in this debate. Can I be wrong. You
bet but if I am and your are right guess what. I'll stand before your Allah or any God and say "kiss my ass". I don't want you and I don't need you.