MacM said:This is a two way street. So listen to us as well. Don't be so cock sure of yourself for it damn sure isn't justified.
You seem to have a total lack of understanding of mutation and DNA. Be it by accident, chance or whatever, man now routinely changes (mutates by will) the DNA chain as is already producing modified creatures and crops.
To suggest that such changes not only have not happened by chance over millions of years but cannot change creatures, is simply to ignore where science actually is today.
True but what your response fails to recognize is that it creates a animal with slighly different, trates, characteristics, etc and subsequent chance changes in its offspring make further changes.
Big words but no actual worth to them. The greatest propaganda is the arguement of an Allah (or any God). They repeatedly show a disjunctive chain of change - i.e. from a fish to a mammal, etc and do not show the millions of slow changes which have been found presenting a very good record of transition.
Are there gaps? You bet. Are there still questions? You bet. Is Allah or Gods the answer - No damn way.
OK. I watched. Would you like a frank opinion? Probably not but since you seem to like to give yours I'll give mine.
Interesting film. A lot of good facts. Nice photographry. Unfortunately it is FILLED with propaganda and basless assumptions and deliberate distortions of the true results of scientific study.
To illustrate my point. You begin by saying it is fact and proven, etc and that it is not a biased program. What a crock of crap. Are you blind or simply brain dead?
Within the first 5 minutes.
1 - It asserts proof that the universe and life are the work of a "Plan", a "Design" by an all powerful Creator and that that creator is Allah. No such proof is ever given in the entire film, much less the first 5 minutes.
2 - It distorts learning and change as being refutation of science and proof of God and not as normal progress in our learning and understandings.
3 - It starts within the first 5 minutes by making a senseless character assination of Darwin. It mentions that Karl Marx admired Darwin and dedicated a book to him and wrote that he admired Darwin.
What the hell does that have to do with Darwins Theory? I see nothing saying that Darwin admired Karl Marx. If it did I might have a different opinion of Darwin but that still would have absolutely no bearing on Darwins Theory.
It is propaganda of the worst kind pure and simple - Character assination, not even by association but by innuendo. Arrrggghhhh!
You believe what the hell you choose. It is your perogative. I choose to believe we came from apes. Not because Darwin says so or that we have compiled a complete record of transistions but because it beats the hell out of believing in Allah or any God.
Because while Miller in 1953 may not have created man from inorganic material he did indeed create organic material from inorganic material. Becuase amino acids and such building blocks of life have been found in great clouds thoughout the universe. Because insspite of the distortion of the record and capitalizing on a few errors along the way there is far more evidence for evolution (by whatever means) than for anyother process.
I know these words are falling on deaf ears and hence don't be disappointed when I choose to not participate further in this debate. Can I be wrong. You
bet but if I am and your are right guess what. I'll stand before your Allah or any God and say "kiss my ass". I don't want you and I don't need you.
Ok.
Consider the part about Allah as an opinion. But what about the damn facts. The shark's structure about some hundred million years old is the same as it is today.Same with the ant, turtle. The eye of the trilobite is the same as the eye of a bee.
Again I ask this question. the concept of "simple to complex". Why the hell do trilobite have a more complex eye than us? Complete BULLSHIT.
Where the hell are the transitions form. You have evidence please provide it. The movie was split into three parts, I am guessing that you saw only the first part of the video.
You talk about mutation. Did you see the reaction of RICHARD DAWKINS when he was asked about MUTATION? HE DIDN'T SAY CRAP. HE IS ONE OF THE MOST KNOWN EVOLUTIONIST AND WELL RESPECTED. WHY THE HELL DIDN'T HE HAVE AN ANSWER?
Did you see the part about the FOSSIL RECORD? Major problem for the theory.
And the part about the Mutation.
you said "True but what your response fails to recognize is that it creates a animal with slighly different, trates, characteristics, etc and subsequent chance changes in its offspring make further changes."
If someone cuts your arms. Are your children going to be armless? If your answer is YES then go and study science on INHERITENCE. IF your answer is NO. then you just lied.
Both ways you're wrong.
Did you see the part about the SKULLS? All was dismissed but people still consider it as evidence. Why? Because of the Media. Isn't that propoganda or what? Why believe in the Skulls when they were DISMISSED AS EVIDENCE?