Electric cars are a pipe dream

[universaldistress]

No, a bigger car requires a bigger engine and if you are going to be driving an average of 24,000 miles a year in the US vs less than 8,000 miles a year in the UK is indeed an argument for both a somewhat bigger car.

That is just crap. Talking out of arse comes to mind. LOL.

Probably don't in the UK, but you'd have to go back to what they used it for in the states to know if the car was over-sized.

You have tried to say in the past that people need bigger cars in america to build, for their job etc. Airforce staff are a perfect example of a cross section of the population who DO NOT NEED big cars.

Like I said. total BS.

The fact Airforce staff do not need big cars negates the need of all your other analysis. If they had normal size cars (which they should already living in US or wherever) the discussion would be void.

FAIL.

As usual you are trying to justify the over consumptive attitude of your nations people. It is a BS agenda.

Downsize those vehicles you morons!

 

[adoucette]

You have tried to say in the past that people need bigger cars in america to build, for their job etc. Airforce staff are a perfect example of a cross section of the population who DO NOT NEED big cars.

Like I said. total BS.

Nope, I said the reason the top selling vehicle in the US were two big trucks was because of their jobs. Not the same thing at all.

The fact Airforce staff do not need big cars negates the need of all your other analysis. If they had normal size cars (which they should already living in US or wherever) the discussion would be void.

FAIL.

Again BS, since these cars came from the US you have no idea if they were the appropriate size for their needs when they bought them over here.

Just jumping to conclusions since you are a BIGOT.

The proof we aren't morons is our much higher GDP per Capita and our much better looking teeth.

http://www.sceala.com/phpBB2/irish-forums-25164.html

Arthur

 

[universaldistress]

A 1.8l Passat doing long haul journeys on the motorway at high mileage per year will do 200,000 miles no worries if you look after it. I know. I was in the market for one and came across plenty.

 

[adoucette]

They should sell the car and rebuy over here.

Not if the car is reasonably new, they will take a bath on it because of the high depreciation over the first few years. When you take into account that the car is shipped over for them, the decision simply isn't that hard.

We don't actually pay our military that great salaries, they have to be somewhat frugal.

Thay can always resell over here at higher uk prices. the loss is of little account.

A second loss from depreciation in just 3 years, why is this loss "of little account"? What's worse is with the military there won't be a lot of time from the time they don't need the car till they are shipped out, so the sale will have to be in a hurry and that is never the way to get the best price.

The use of oil in the transportation is a waste.

Maybe, but then it's a financial decision and if they don't do a lot of driving while in the UK then it's not going to sway the decision.

I suppose you condone eating food from the other side of the world instead of locally produced seasonal fare?

I usually always try to buy seasonal fare as it is cheaper.
Buying ears of corn in December simply isn't something I do because it doesn't ship well, but if produce ships well then where it comes from is secondary and invariably it will come from where it is seasonal and thus the lower price of the product will likely offset the small cost of shipping it as the added fuel cost of shipping many fruits and vegetables is so low as to not be an issue.

Bananas for instance are dirt cheap but none of them grow around here.

I doubt many grow in the UK either.

Arthur

 

[universaldistress]

Nope, I said the reason the top selling vehicle in the US were two big trucks was because of their jobs. Not the same thing at all.

We will indeed build all the infrastructure here over the next 3 decades to equal the entire UK, and that growth needs work trucks.

Indeed. You also said home builders need big vehicles which was also BS.

So why do your airforce need 5 litre trucks then? Our builders use bigger vehicles when needed. They also drive smaller vehicles for personal use. Dumbass.

Again BS, since these cars came from the US you have no idea if they were the appropriate size for their needs when they bought them over here.

The appropriate size is NORMAL size dumbass. Do you think we don't have trailers and boats in the UK? LOL. We aren't talking about the odd truck. US Airforce staff over here love their trucks. LOL.

Just jumping to conclusions since you are a BIGOT.

Bigot seems to be your favourite word. I just state facts you do not want to hear in your over consumptive bubble (do not give a shit. you condone it. you are in it).

The proof we aren't morons is our much higher GDP per Capita and our much better looking teeth.

The proof you are morons is in your over consumption. We produce more GDP per barrel of oil, so who are the morons?

FAIL. This is Ribery, he is FRENCH.

http://www.sceala.com/phpBB2/irish-forums-25164.html

Maybe we should compare OUR pictures and see who is the best looking?

 

[universaldistress]

A second loss from depreciation in just 3 years, why is this loss "of little account"?

BS. They can rebuy a same age car at the same price as they sold it if they do it sensibly. Depreciation is not a loss. The car is worth what it is worth. Where is the loss? Explain.

 

[universaldistress]

The point is shipping goods across the world is a wasteful exercise. Purchase of these goods, or any goods needs to be done sensibly, and responsibly.

 

[adoucette]

A 1.8l Passat doing long haul journeys on the motorway at high mileage per year will do 200,000 miles no worries if you look after it. I know. I was in the market for one and came across plenty.

Yeah and the Passatt is what we would think of as a full size car, even so if going 200,000 miles with no worries were common then VW would warrant their engines for more than 3 years/60,000 miles.

But they don't.

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/warranty/factory

When I went to search for used Passats in the UK

At ~half that mileage the value of a 1.8 liter Passat was down to £1,500 so no, I don't believe that going 200,000 miles is "no worries"

Do search on 100,000 miles petrol.

Arthur

http://www.motors.co.uk/search/?loc...nuf=volkswagen&model=passat&price=0,#usedLink

 

[universaldistress]

Yeah and the Passatt is what we would think of as a full size car, even so if going 200,000 miles with no worries were common then VW would warrant their engines for more than 3 years/60,000 miles.

But they don't.

I said you have to look after them. You know, fix them, change the oil occasionally. That type of thing.

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/warranty/factory

When I went to search for used Passats in the UK

At ~half that mileage the value of a 1.8 liter Passat was down to £1,500 so no, I don't believe that going 200,000 miles is "no worries"

Believe what you want. A looked after car doing motorway miles (that is what I said, in regards to you yanks who do so many long haul miles) will go a lot further. Passat is just an example of a long haul car that can do a lot of miles as it is engineered well. And it will do it with a 1.8l engine. So why all the 3l+ monsters?

 

[adoucette]

BS. They can rebuy a same age car at the same price as they sold it if they do it sensibly. Depreciation is not a loss. The car is worth what it is worth. Where is the loss? Explain.

But if you are in the military you can't count on it being done "sensibly".
Where you live and when you have to move is up to the military, not you, and so if you get orders to move, you won't necessarily get time to sell that car before you have to be gone.

Even if you do get notice, the problem is again, with the military the time from when you won't need the car and can sell it to when you have to leave can be very short, and when you have to sell anything in a hurry you can't always do it sensibly.

As far as depreciation, when you drive a car off the lot it's value goes down considerably.

For most people financing a car, bought from a dealer, it takes years before the car is worth more than you owe on the loan.

The depreciation in a car's first year tends to be even steeper. A new-car owner feels the sting immediately. A new car loses a big chunk of its value as soon as you drive it off the lot. Here's why.

When purchasing the car, you paid a retail price -- the price a dealer charges for a car. As soon as you're off the lot, the car is worth its wholesale price, the amount a dealer would be willing to pay for a car should you turn around and head back.

So a brand-spanking-new car or truck loses thousands of dollars of value as soon as you drive it home. Whatever money you spent on taxes and licensing is gone for good as well.

"Just the difference between wholesale and retail prices is a large amount of what goes away right away," says Charlie Vogelheim, editor of Kelley Blue Book.

Let's look at an example. The base price of a brand-new 2002 Ford Taurus is $19,035, according to Kelley Blue Book.

The wholesale price of a 2002 Ford Taurus with just 100 miles on it is $15,390, a drop of $3,645 from its transaction price.

The wholesale price of a 2002 Ford Taurus with 13,000 miles, roughly a year's worth of driving, is $14,665, nearly 23 percent less than its original transaction price.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/auto/20011226a.asp

 

[universaldistress]

But if you are in the military you can't count on it being done "sensibly".
Where you live and when you have to move is up to the military, not you, and so if you get orders to move, you won't necessarily get time to sell that car before you have to be gone.

Even if you do get notice, the problem is again, with the military the time from when you won't need the car and can sell it to when you have to leave can be very short, and when you have to sell anything in a hurry you can't always do it sensibly.

As far as depreciation, when you drive a car off the lot it's value goes down considerably.

For most people financing a car, bought from a dealer, it takes years before the car is worth more than you owe on the loan.



http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/auto/20011226a.asp

So my conclusion is that depreciation has shit to do with it. Your claim that is does was BS. As is most of the rubbish you espouse. The potential loss you speak of due to being restationed would only be due to selling below the actual value (in a hurry), not through depreciation. How doe it feel being wrong over and over again?

The price of shipping the vehicle is possibly comparable to any loss that would be made.

 

[universaldistress]

Being able to research extensively with your time, and being full of facts is no surrogate for common sense it would seem. Doesn't matter how determined one is, if one is fundamentally wrong then one loses.

 

[universaldistress]

For most people financing a car, bought from a dealer, it takes years before the car is worth more than you owe on the loan.

Blame the banks for that, not depreciation. BIG LOL.

 

[universaldistress]

Truth is the interest on any loan is immaterial. Don't get credit. If you do you are always going to lose regardless of being restationed or not.

A car is bought. A car is sold. Simple.

 

[Luis A.C.ROMANELLI]

I wish to educate the dreamers, that electric vehicles (EVs from now on) can replace combustion engine cars for mass transportation in the future. Just to make sure, we are NOT talking about hybrids, but fully battery powered cars.
EVs have limited usage, mostly because of range and difficulty to charge. Their range hasn't really improved in 100 years! Oh yes, there is the price issue too, they are not cheap!!

Sure, they can be used for small range city dwelling, but if green people are dreaming that in the future millions will be buzzing around in EVs, well, they have a rude awakenings coming.
Not to mention that battery power will not drive heavy trucks or machinery. I will also mention that since the electricity does come from coal burning power stations, the enviromental footprint is also very high for EVs, so there is no overall saving for Mother Earth.

One can dream that one drives into an eelectric charging station and charges in 5 minutes, then be able to drive 300+ miles, but it is just not happening...

Maybe we should go to Mars instead... Don't get me wrong, I would love to speed down the highway by 100 MPH quietly in my cool electric car, but I also live in reality, and a reality check is long time due for dreamers....

Any takers????

Hello ! ! !...I think the same as you`ve expossed(words)and all the Science has the same
idea...that the future cars will be electric cars so if I understanded your words...I think
that the world has to wait for a log time cause we can`t change the "business" arround
the oil motors in a small time ! ! !...May be in 20 or 30 years ELECTRIC CARS will be real !
........................Atte : A Frind from Argentina

 

[adoucette]

So my conclusion is that depreciation has shit to do with it. Your claim that is does was BS. As is most of the rubbish you espouse. The potential loss you speak of due to being restationed would only be due to selling below the actual value (in a hurry), not through depreciation. How doe it feel being wrong over and over again?

The price of shipping the vehicle is possibly comparable to any loss that would be made.

I'm not wrong.

Like I said, if they bought a new car in the US, within the last few years, and have to sell it, they will take a big hit due to depriciation.

That's what the article I posted meant when they said:

a brand-spanking-new car or truck loses thousands of dollars of value as soon as you drive it home

You see, if you keep the car for 9 or 10 years (typical) vs just a few, then that big first couple of years depreciation you get hit with is spread out and the annual depreciation will be less.

Don't believe me, then buy a new car each year and see if your cost of ownership doesn't go way up.

The second depreciation loss comes when they resell the new car they bought in the UK in just 3 years, as that cost of buying a car (dealer profit) is also only spread over a short period.

The military ships it for them, part of the deal they give you for stationing you overseas.

Arthur

 

[adoucette]

Blame the banks for that, not depreciation. BIG LOL.

No, this depreciation has nothing to do with the banks.

When purchasing the car, you paid a retail price -- the price a dealer charges for a car. As soon as you're off the lot, the car is worth its wholesale price, the amount a dealer would be willing to pay for a car should you turn around and head back.

So a brand-spanking-new car or truck loses thousands of dollars of value as soon as you drive it home. Whatever money you spent on taxes and licensing is gone for good as well.

Arthur

 

[adoucette]

Truth is the interest on any loan is immaterial. Don't get credit. If you do you are always going to lose regardless of being restationed or not.

But not many people in the military have the cash on hand to buy a car out right.

Almost all of them are financed.

You are being silly.

A car is bought. A car is sold. Simple.

No it's not that simple, if you get it shipped over then you buy two fewer cars over the same time period.

The car you buy in the UK and the car you buy when you get back to the states.

Everytime you buy a car you lose some money.

Depending on how new any of the cars are and how short of time you keep them the bigger the potential loss.

Arthur

 

[universaldistress]

I'm not wrong.

Like I said, if they bought a new car in the US, within the last few years, and have to sell it, they will take a big hit due to depriciation.

That's what the article I posted meant when they said:



You see, if you keep the car for 9 or 10 years (typical) vs just a few, then that big first couple of years depreciation you get hit with is spread out and the annual depreciation will be less.

Don't believe me, then buy a new car each year and see if your cost of ownership doesn't go way up.

The second depreciation loss comes when they resell the new car they bought in the UK in just 3 years, as that cost of buying a car (dealer profit) is also only spread over a short period.

BS. No one is talking about buying new each time. If you sell a car. Then buy the same model, same age as the car sold then you lose nothing.

You still didn't explain where the loss comes from. A car is worth what it is worth.

 

[universaldistress]

But not many people in the military have the cash on hand to buy a car out right.

Almost all of them are financed.

You are being silly.



No it's not that simple, if you get it shipped over then you buy two fewer cars over the same time period.

The car you buy in the UK and the car you buy when you get back to the states.

Everytime you buy a car you lose some money.

Depending on how new any of the cars are and how short of time you keep them the bigger the potential loss.

Arthur

BS. I buy at auction then resell a year later and make money.

When you sell your car, you move, then buy another. What has depreciation got to do with it when you replace kind for kind? If someone chooses to buy new then that is their own fault for being dumb.

You can buy a car at any price above 500 or so.