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Me-Ki-Gal said:
You are a fucking idiot Frag . How Dare you call your self a musician . Go look at Wynn . You want more evidense . Look at what S.A.M. has been trying to tell you . You turn back on the world fuck nut . Fucking Ban Me I am sick of the Elitism on your horse shit Mind Fuck you idiot . Woman Is PERSICUTED > YOU PURICUTE WOMAN RIGHT ALONE WITH THE RESAYT OF YOU FUCKED UP DIP SGITS > GET A FUCK ING CLUE BRO WOMAN

Fuck you FUCKER
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Calm down, Me Ki.
Why shouldn't Frag call himself a musician?
You are out of order.
You should apologise.
Alternatively, keep a low profile for a bit.
You don't sound well at the moment.
 
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S.A.M. said:
The problem is that all of the people interested in saving the women of Afghanistan are not paying attention to what they are saying:
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Except you fail to note that the Afghan constitution guarantees equal rights for women, it also allows the Shia community, (~10 per cent of the population), the right to settle family law cases according to Shia law and THIS law is essentially allowing them to do so.

The Shiite Personal Status Law contains provisions on marriage, divorce, inheritance, rights of movement and bankruptcy, but it doesn't, as you suggest, allow rape by husbands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-refuse-feed-wives-deny-sex-says-cleric.html

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/4a24ed5b2.html
 
adoucette said:
Except you fail to note that the Afghan constitution guarantees equal rights for women, it also allows the Shia community, (~10 per cent of the population), the right to settle family law cases according to Shia law and THIS law is essentially allowing them to do so.

The Shiite Personal Status Law contains provisions on marriage, divorce, inheritance, rights of movement and bankruptcy, but it doesn't, as you suggest, allow rape by husbands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-refuse-feed-wives-deny-sex-says-cleric.html

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/4a24ed5b2.html
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Which of course makes it all the more ironic that the Taliban does not recognose Shia Personal Law, but Karzai government does

What NATO and Kabul can learn from their enemy.
 
spidergoat said:
Some religions are worse than others. You can't tell me that the Aztecs sacrificing virgins was just as bad as the Jain, who believe that no living things should ever be killed, even to the point of filtering their water so they don't ingest microorganisms.
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Likewise, ought corporatocracy-ism (often wrongly referred to as corporatism, which is something else entirely) and scientism (again, I'm not referring to simply a "rational" "faith" in scientific methodologies, but something altogether different; namely, scientism) be regarded as religions?

If one considers a standard definition of the supernatural:
1 : of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil

2 a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
b : attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural

--then, perhaps: yes.

I mean, do the adherents of scientism and corporatocracy-ism not shew an "irrational faith in the supernatural" by regarding scientific methodologies as the universal authoritative epistemology for all subjects of enquiry and according corporations the status of "personhood" and all rights of "persons"? Is all knowledge quantifiable, can every human, and non-human, concern be "solved" by science? Are corporations sentient, do they dream, do they bleed?

And I'd suggest that both are--or can be--far worse than, say, Jainism, for instance.
 
parmalee said:
Likewise, ought corporatocracy-ism (often wrongly referred to as corporatism, which is something else entirely) and scientism (again, I'm not referring to simply a "rational" "faith" in scientific methodologies, but something altogether different; namely, scientism) be regarded as religions?

If one considers a standard definition of the supernatural:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural

--then, perhaps: yes.
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As regards the Corporates, definitely not.
They care about nothing but yearly profit figures.
They are neither atheistic nor religious.

Generally atheists, if they are decent people, have their own explanations for morality, compassion, kindness etc.

This means nothing to the corporate mentality.
All that matters is profit.
 
adoucette said:
So?

what westerners have to realize is that it is much better for us than it was before when the Taliban behaved so badly towards us," said Shapera Azzizulah,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Family_Law
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Not wearing a burka is progress, and it doesn’t allow marital rape, but…

“The Shia Family Law was passed for the 3 to 6 million Shia Muslims who reside in Afghanistan. Under the law, women must not refuse the husband's sexual demands, women must comply to intercourse every four days unless sick, women may not gain employment or receive education without their husband's permission, wives leaving home must do so with male escort or with permiss”ion and they must dress up and wear cosmetics according to the husband's desires. Refusal to do any of these would be illegal for the woman and can be enforced — the husband may stop feeding her.”

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Afghanistan_women_protest_Shia_Family_Law
 
Hellenologophobia said:
Not wearing a burka is progress, and it doesn’t allow marital rape, but…

“The Shia Family Law was passed for the 3 to 6 million Shia Muslims who reside in Afghanistan. Under the law, women must not refuse the husband's sexual demands, women must comply to intercourse every four days unless sick, women may not gain employment or receive education without their husband's permission, wives leaving home must do so with male escort or with permiss”ion and they must dress up and wear cosmetics according to the husband's desires. Refusal to do any of these would be illegal for the woman and can be enforced — the husband may stop feeding her.”

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Afghanistan_women_protest_Shia_Family_Law
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Some people just need a sympathetic pat

on the head

with a hammer
 
i suppose the iranians could use a pat too...
The Iranian government calls it the Family Protection Bill, but activists call it the “Anti-Family Protection Bill.”

It would give men the right to take a second wife without the permission of the first, and it would enshrine a man’s right to have an unlimited number of temporary marriages, which can last from 10 minutes to 99 years.

Read more​
 
10 minutes to 99 years
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Its a very old law, similarly to hand fasting.

Temporary Marriage was a custom of the pre-Islamic Arabs. It was used as a convenience shield, useful in the case where a man had to travel away from home for long periods of time, or was not able to commit fully to marriage.
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Some people dumped it some didn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut‘ah

I think the only thing that distinguishes it from a casual affair is that the man takes financial responsibility for the children.
 
Hellenologophobia said:
Not wearing a burka is progress, and it doesn’t allow marital rape, but…

“The Shia Family Law was passed for the 3 to 6 million Shia Muslims who reside in Afghanistan. Under the law, women must not refuse the husband's sexual demands, women must comply to intercourse every four days unless sick, women may not gain employment or receive education without their husband's permission, wives leaving home must do so with male escort or with permiss”ion and they must dress up and wear cosmetics according to the husband's desires. Refusal to do any of these would be illegal for the woman and can be enforced — the husband may stop feeding her.”

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Afghanistan_women_protest_Shia_Family_Law
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You miss the point.
The Shia are a sizable portion of Aghanistan and when the Afghans formed their own Constitution, one of the Shia's representatives requirements to support it was that they would be able to practice Shia law.

This is that law.

Of course its nuckin futs to us Westerners:

Consider this part of their law:

Sworn Malediction [curse of Allah]
Article 151:
(1). Causes of sworn malediction are as follows:
1. When a husband without any reason or evidence accuses his wife with whom he has had sexual penetration, of adultery and she is not known to be an adulteress.
2. When a husband without any reason or evidence denies fathering his child whose birth resulted from his sexually penetration of his wife.

(2). Where the husband accuses his deaf and dumb wife of adultery, the sworn malediction shall not be enforced, and from the time of the accusation of his wife, the wife shall be considered unlawful (haram) for the husband.
(3). Sworn malediction is considered valid when both parties are adults, sane and free [not slave].

Methods of Performing Sworn Malediction
Article 152:
Married couples shall perform the following acts in Arabic or in their native language in a standing position in front of the court:
1. First the husband shall say four times: “I swear to Allah that the act for which I am accusing my wife is true.”
2. Then, the court shall advise the husband, and if the husband accepts that he was wrong [that he wrongfully accused his wife], he shall be punished; but if he does not agree that he was wrong, then for the fifth time the husband shall say “Allah curse me, if what I accused my wife of, is not true.”
3. Then the wife shall say four times: “I swear to Allah that what I have been
accused of is not true.”
4. Then the judge shall advise the wife, and if she confirms her husband’s
accusation, she shall be punished; but if she does not agree that her husband was right, then for the fifth time she shall say “anger of Allah be on me if what my husband accused me of is true.”
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But so?

It's still better than it was under the Taliban.

For instance, in writing the law, one of the requirements is that Shia Law couldn't be contrary to the Afghan Constitution.

So for instance the age of marriage for Shia women (most of which are arranged) was raised from 9 to 16.

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/4a24ed5b2.html

Arthur
 
S.A.M said:
I think the only thing that distinguishes it from a casual affair is that the man takes financial responsibility for the children.
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oh
thats anti-man then
i am against it
 
adoucette said:
You miss the point.
The Shia are a sizable portion of Aghanistan and when the Afghans formed their own Constitution, one of the Shia's representatives requirements to support it was that they would be able to practice Shia law.

This is that law.
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So how is it working out in practice? What can they do under Shia law that was not available to them before?

Gustav said:
oh
thats anti-man then
i am against it
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Nope. Its anti-woman. If the man is going to take responsibility for the kids, then the woman has to go through a period of iddat between contracts. Most nikaah mutaah have a "no divorce required" written into the marriage contract - in Islam, marriage is a contract - because well, the whole purpose is a temporary arrangement that can be easily set aside, so the woman has to wait 3 months between contracts to ensure correct assignment of paternity
 
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