Wrong Bells it doesn't ban all muslims. It doesn't say that every muslim would have to leave the country what it will do is limit immigration of muslims and force the integration of the ones they have!
Also I didn't miss that 'I guess if you are anti-Muslim' and it offends me. Its that same accusatory bullshit that makes it impossible for anyone to be critical of a religion that at the moment has slipped into the danger zone. So for that remark you deserve a good 'fuck you'. There isn't a muslim who knows me that would call me 'anti muslim' and that even includes members of this site. Just because I refuse to pretend that there is a problem brewing doesn't make me a racist and to accuse people of that is an ingrained PC brain dead response.
You say he is discriminating well I hate to tell you this but most muslim countries have discriminatory laws, according to you the way the west profiles for terrorists is also discriminatory but necessary nonetheless.
Bells: So you think it is acceptable to discriminate against a whole group of people? If his comments had been about Jews or Gays, would you be saying the same thing?
Bells there have been attacks against people in the netherlands based on what they have to say about islam!!!! Do you get that he hasn't just pulled this out of nowhere? That there was a problem before he even came on the scene? Do you understand that there is a problem in there society? Jews were attacked based on propaganda but there have been very real attacks against the values and life of people in the west so don't pretend as if this is some racist bullshit that comes from nowhere. Its interesting that you never addressed this part of my post:
What about Theo Van Gogh (yes a relative of van gogh) the film maker and writer was stabbed to death by a muslim because some muslims were offended by his book 'Allah', after his murder the Dutch Complaints Bureau for Discrimination on the Internet received many complaints about websites praising the murder and making death threats against other people. Is it this kind of hatred that Wilders is being accused of inciting? Wilders didn't create the problem between Dutch society and muslims it was already there and he was addressing what he felt were concerns or fears. Why is that wrong? I mean the problem with this is that if they do not halt immigration and force integration then you WILL have a right wing nationalist backlash that will grow ever larger. All he has done is say out loud what everyone else was thinking. I mean what do you think is going to happen when the freedom party wins a majority vote? To bring up allusions of Hitler is incorrect unless you are saying that even to think of halting immigration amounts to exterminating them altogether. They are having this same discussion in England and France. Denmark has already added incredible immigration restrictions and it affects mostly muslims. Why because there was so much anger after the cartoonist attack that they fear the response of their own population against other muslims, better to deal with the problems they presently have than compound them by bringing in more!
Its not his immigration policy that angered muslims but his statements about the islamification of the netherlands and his mistrust of Islam because of the spread of radical extremists. If his sentiments are hate speech then please someone clue Michael because he wouldn't be able to say anything critical of Islam! Is that the world we are reaching for? What do you think will happen when this get's underway? "The British National Party (BNP) has joined forces with far-right groups in a new European Alliance of National Movements." Read the article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8356284.stm
Well done Bells for sticking your head in the sand and not addressing the full extent of my post!!
Bells: Something you should take up with your Government. The man was banned from entering the UK, wasn't he?
He was banned when he was going around talking about that stupid documentary of his but he is not banned from the UK and the only reason why he was banned from the talks was because they were afraid of the response from their own muslim population! Extortion is a bitch isn't it?
Bells: Prior to extermination, Hitler's proposals were also similar.
Oh really! Is that why Israelis are barred from entering malaysia? Its a sorry argument Bells to say that he is automatically a hitler when the circumstances are so different. The jews were not going around killing people nor did they attempt to censor German opinion. There IS something going on in Europe Bells not to mention the world and maybe you think its helpful to cover your eyes and sing la dee da but I believe its people like you who sat around and allowed jews to be exterminated because everyone knew what was brewing within the Nazi movement and chose to ignore it (this includes many jews who refused to believe it!). So instead of stopping a disaster before it starts you decide to consider anyone and everyone a racist who addresses the fact that there is a disaster in their own bloody society. Well done!
Bells: Right.. so comparing the Qu'ran to Mein Kampf, demanded that all Muslims be deported and those born there, paid to leave, a ban on building Mosques and Islamic schools, a ban on preaching in their own Mosques in their own language, taxing Muslim women for what they wear.. You don't think that is enough to cause anger? A film that virtually described all Muslims as being terrorists and violent, comments that any Muslim who follows their Qu'ran is violent, etc..?
Of course it will cause anger Bells! So does gunning down a Van Gogh in the streets of Amsterdam!! If muslims do not want to integrate they will have to leave Bells because If they don't integrate there will be increased racism towards them! The film he made was terrible in the sense that it wasn't couched in any real context, it was a dishonest look at the quran BUT it was an honest look at radical extremism within islam.
Bells: I'm not even Muslim and I am angry. He wants to implement a white Netherlands policy. And you somehow think that is acceptable?
Bullshit! You have obviously never been to the Netherlands because it is definitely not all white, in case you haven't noticed there are lots of immigrants that are not white and also not muslim. Be honest if you are going to discuss this with me. He never once said anything about race. There are a lot of non black muslims bells! And in case you didn't notice this is the part I think he would have to re consider:
* The present Article 1 of the Dutch constitution, guaranteeing equality under the law, will be replaced by a clause stating the cultural dominance of the Christian, Jewish and humanist traditions.
Bells: So you think people are being "PC" when they state that such discrimination is wrong? Righteo..
No but it would be great if the PC brigade learned how to read instead of casting their own meaning into everything. I think people are being PC by pretending that there isn't a real problem. They neither address the problem nor do they do ever state there is a problem. I have no respect for that kind of behaviour. Unless of course you are going to go down Sam avenue and say all Europeans, the little euphemism for white people, are inherently racist! did you take the time to consider what might have created the limits of liberalism in Europe? Well did you? Did you ask why there is such a heavy attitude towards islam in Europe? Well did you? NO.
Bells: You think taxing Muslim women for their clothing is spreading radical Islam? You think banning foreign languages spoken, taught in schools and their places of religious worship is spreading radical Islam?
Well honey you will have to ask the French! Because they are the only ones who are asking for a burkha ban (wonder why
). So lets see. Banning foreign languages in schools. Is that what is being proposed? Or is it banning children being taught in Urdo instead of Danish and Dutch, its an attempt to not have another generation of children who cannot speak the language of the host nation but of course its racist to demand anything from a foreigner who chooses to emigrate (at least to the PC brigade). Should they encourage Dutch, French or Danish etc in mosques? Well yea considering that you have foreign imams who travel and speak to their congregation of fatwas and jihads. God forbid that anyone try and protect their own nation or culture! They have no right to do that do they Bells? They have no right to try and force a cohesive undivided culture is that your point?
Bells: Do you think trying to force all Muslims from the country is not going to spread radical Islam? People will react with violence and will be tempted to look to a more radical system of belief when faced with such abject discrimination and hatred.
Well hell bells they would have to get in first wouldn't they. Again I ask you, what are YOUR suggestions that haven't been tried in Europe thus far to integrate this particular community. If they love living in France then maybe they will lose the bloody burkha which is not mandatory in the religion unless of course they believe that their religion is higher than French culture, law and values in which case the religion then becomes a danger. By the way I recall Australia having one of the most discriminatory immigration laws in the west!! You practically had to be white to get in so stop faking the horror!
WAKE THE FUCK UP ALREADY!