If a closed dimension (such as the Kaluza-Klein dimension, if not itself) is what we happen to think of as "time", we can arrive at a description of the universe with a time dimension, in which there is nothing on that dimension except "now"; going backwards in time is identical to going forwards in time, except in terms of how forces interact.
Does time exist?
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Asexperia
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SCIENCE VS COMMON SENSE IN PHILOCHRONY
The main problem about the understanding of time is not its nature, but the differentiation between what is science and what is common sense in time. A science is the set of true, verifiable and general knowledge that describes an aspect of reality. Common sense is the sum of all the senses. By common sense we know that water wets and fire burns. Most people are in the state of common sense. Common sense tells us that the Sun revolves around the Earth, when in reality it is the Earth that revolves around the Sun.
1) It is common sense:
- Time flows or runs.
- Time is a dimension of space.
- One minute of pain lasts longer than one minute of pleasure.
- Time is what clocks measure.
2) It is science:
- Time is the change-interval duality.
- Time increases continuously due to changes.
- Physically, time exists in a continuous present.
- Mathematically, the time dimension is composed of sequential moments or nows.
The main problem about the understanding of time is not its nature, but the differentiation between what is science and what is common sense in time. A science is the set of true, verifiable and general knowledge that describes an aspect of reality. Common sense is the sum of all the senses. By common sense we know that water wets and fire burns. Most people are in the state of common sense. Common sense tells us that the Sun revolves around the Earth, when in reality it is the Earth that revolves around the Sun.
1) It is common sense:
- Time flows or runs.
- Time is a dimension of space.
- One minute of pain lasts longer than one minute of pleasure.
- Time is what clocks measure.
2) It is science:
- Time is the change-interval duality.
- Time increases continuously due to changes.
- Physically, time exists in a continuous present.
- Mathematically, the time dimension is composed of sequential moments or nows.
BdS
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I dont know about a stop/start system. I'd assume it's a smooth continuous flow that we break it down into increments, how many now frames can you fit in a second?
That is fascinating and what gets me is how all the physics laws carry over now frame to now frame to cause the changes in a continuous now moment. How is the momentum/KE of an object/mass stored in a single now frame so it can tell the object where it must move to for the next now frame?
That is the point
Because TIME does not exist there are no frames
A single NOW exist and within NOW stuff moves (from atoms to Galaxies)
Arbitrary NOWs are indexed with another NOW being annexed with the period between given a arbitrary label AGE ie you live from birth over the period the Earth goes round the Sun and your AGE is considered to be 1 year old
It isn't because I explained if you say something is stored and then passed on you would be looking at a stop / start system
There are no frames
Not sure if this thought image will help
The total Universe the size of a fish bowl. Inside bowl water = to space and the fields contained, fish can be planets moving through space
As you observe the bowl in totality, it does not move, it is in a state of single NOW. But stuff within NOW does move around
Asexperia
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HOW TO MEASURE TIME WITHOUT A CLOCK
Clocks divide the day into hours, minutes and seconds. But, would it be possible to calculate time without a clock? Yes, based on the change-interval duality. The repetition of a process with constant duration is taken. All processes have a start, an end and an evolution. An example of this process is a musical song. Considering the lyrics and notes of a song you can determine the specific moment in the evolution of the song. The duration of the song is the unit of time. Although the use of a song is not useful, at least we know that we can estimate time without using a clock.
Asexperia
Clocks divide the day into hours, minutes and seconds. But, would it be possible to calculate time without a clock? Yes, based on the change-interval duality. The repetition of a process with constant duration is taken. All processes have a start, an end and an evolution. An example of this process is a musical song. Considering the lyrics and notes of a song you can determine the specific moment in the evolution of the song. The duration of the song is the unit of time. Although the use of a song is not useful, at least we know that we can estimate time without using a clock.
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FORMS OF BECOMING
Becoming is the inherent property of matter and bodies to experience sequential changes. Becoming can be regular or irregular. The regular becoming or time is periodic and can be divided into equal intervals. For example: clocks. The irregular becoming cannot be divided into equal intervals. For example: rain and the life of organisms.
We refer the duration of the irregular becoming to time for its measurement. Hence the importance of clocks and calendars. Time is the mathematical becoming; so to deny the existence of time is to deny reality. Time is a good tool to measure duration.
Becoming is the inherent property of matter and bodies to experience sequential changes. Becoming can be regular or irregular. The regular becoming or time is periodic and can be divided into equal intervals. For example: clocks. The irregular becoming cannot be divided into equal intervals. For example: rain and the life of organisms.
We refer the duration of the irregular becoming to time for its measurement. Hence the importance of clocks and calendars. Time is the mathematical becoming; so to deny the existence of time is to deny reality. Time is a good tool to measure duration.
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Asexperia
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FORMS OF BECOMING 2
The irregular becoming is identified as Events and the regular becoming is Time. The principle of Forms of becoming applies in:
1- The origin of the universe.
Before the Big Bang there were only events and time originated with the BB. Abbreviated form: E - BB - T.
2- Space-time is the universe in all its extension and composition. In the universe we find celestial bodies, events and time. Some events are: light, gravity, black holes, etc. The periodic movements of the celestial bodies is time.
3- Speed is the relation between displacement (event) and time, that is, E / T.
The irregular becoming is identified as Events and the regular becoming is Time. The principle of Forms of becoming applies in:
1- The origin of the universe.
Before the Big Bang there were only events and time originated with the BB. Abbreviated form: E - BB - T.
2- Space-time is the universe in all its extension and composition. In the universe we find celestial bodies, events and time. Some events are: light, gravity, black holes, etc. The periodic movements of the celestial bodies is time.
3- Speed is the relation between displacement (event) and time, that is, E / T.
Asexperia
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AN EDITION
Before:
Now:
Becoming is the continuous succession of irreversible moments that goes from the past to the future. Becoming is unstoppable and manifests itself in changes (perceptible). Becoming can be regular and irregular. The regular becoming or time is periodic and can be divided into equal intervals. For example: clocks. Time is magnitive, that is, objective, imperceptible (we know it by intuition) and measurable.
Before:
Now:
Becoming is the continuous succession of irreversible moments that goes from the past to the future. Becoming is unstoppable and manifests itself in changes (perceptible). Becoming can be regular and irregular. The regular becoming or time is periodic and can be divided into equal intervals. For example: clocks. Time is magnitive, that is, objective, imperceptible (we know it by intuition) and measurable.
Asexperia
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THE ORIGIN OF TIME
In Mechanics there are several types of motion:
1) Uniform rectilinear motion (URM).
2) Uniformly accelerated motion(UAM).
3) The circular motion (CM).
4) The wave motion (WM).
Time originates from a periodic uniform motion (PUM) like Earth's motion. Time is the tool we use to measure the duration of things. If the origin of time or PUM ceases to be uniform it is not time, but an irregular or variable becoming. Relative time is not time, but an irregular becoming with a certain duration. A clock that is subjected to high speed would not be accurate in measuring time.
In Mechanics there are several types of motion:
1) Uniform rectilinear motion (URM).
2) Uniformly accelerated motion(UAM).
3) The circular motion (CM).
4) The wave motion (WM).
Time originates from a periodic uniform motion (PUM) like Earth's motion. Time is the tool we use to measure the duration of things. If the origin of time or PUM ceases to be uniform it is not time, but an irregular or variable becoming. Relative time is not time, but an irregular becoming with a certain duration. A clock that is subjected to high speed would not be accurate in measuring time.
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Asexperia
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WE MEASURE DURATION, NOT TIME
The difference between duration and time is that duration ends and time does not. An example of duration is life that ends with death.
We measure the duration of beings, not time. Time is already calibrated naturally for the motions of the Earth. Time is like a measuring tape that is already calibrated.
Thousands of years before Christ man discovered time calibration and created calendars. Clocks are an artificial copy of time. In the history of clock we can know the calibration process of this tool.
We use time with two purposes:
1- Measure the duration of beings (objects and phenomena).
2- Order events in sequence.
Now the magnitive time is objective, imperceptible and calibrated.
Asexperia
The difference between duration and time is that duration ends and time does not. An example of duration is life that ends with death.
We measure the duration of beings, not time. Time is already calibrated naturally for the motions of the Earth. Time is like a measuring tape that is already calibrated.
Thousands of years before Christ man discovered time calibration and created calendars. Clocks are an artificial copy of time. In the history of clock we can know the calibration process of this tool.
We use time with two purposes:
1- Measure the duration of beings (objects and phenomena).
2- Order events in sequence.
Now the magnitive time is objective, imperceptible and calibrated.
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Asexperia
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BDTC DEFINITIONS
1- Becoming is the continuous succession of irreversible moments that goes from the past to the future.
2 - Duration is the permanence of beings (between a start and an end) in a certain physical state or situation (a). Duration is also the continuous occurrence of phenomena between a time interval (b).
3- Time is the measure of duration for an uniform periodic movement (UPM). Time is the regular becoming.
6- Chromnesia is the temporary memory; it is where units of time are processed. Although we understand the units of time, sometimes we do not understand what time is.
Note:
The concept of duration has two definitions: one for objects and bodies (a) and one for phenomena (b). These definitions of duration can be combined in: The life of the Earth (a) and its movements (b), the useful life of a car (a) and the realization of a trip (b).
1- Becoming is the continuous succession of irreversible moments that goes from the past to the future.
2 - Duration is the permanence of beings (between a start and an end) in a certain physical state or situation (a). Duration is also the continuous occurrence of phenomena between a time interval (b).
3- Time is the measure of duration for an uniform periodic movement (UPM). Time is the regular becoming.
6- Chromnesia is the temporary memory; it is where units of time are processed. Although we understand the units of time, sometimes we do not understand what time is.
Note:
The concept of duration has two definitions: one for objects and bodies (a) and one for phenomena (b). These definitions of duration can be combined in: The life of the Earth (a) and its movements (b), the useful life of a car (a) and the realization of a trip (b).
BdS
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Sounds like a stop/start system.
Oblivionspace
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Time is useful measure to synchronize our everyday lives , it is objective in a sense of uses but subjective in a sense of an entity that exists other than the use of the practitioner .
Asexperia
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Time is objective in every sense of the word. We believe it is subjective because it is imperceptible. Time exists because we can quantify the duration of phenomena. If time were an illusion, Mathematics would be too.
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Oblivionspace
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A clock exists to mechanically measure a duration of recorded history , there is no phenomena or entity of time . You are very subjective in your thoughts .
How do you conclude that ?
What are you thinking when you say illusion ?
Math as with time has no physical properties , they are ''tools'' that humans use to place values on things such as a period of history or predictions etc . As I said previous , you seem very subjective !
Asexperia
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The physical is not just the tangible, what you can see and touch. Physics is the science of measurements. Time is a magnitude equal to length and mass.
There is a phenomenon of time that is universal: the continuous succession of irreversible changes or moments.
You are very contradictory: “ it is objective in a sense of uses but subjective in a sense of an entity that exists ”
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DaveC426913
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"Duration" and "history" are both euphamisms for time or properties of time.
Can you describe what a clock does without using oblique references to time?
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