Yet we already know and expect ahead of time that not all hopes will be realized, and so there is no big surprise at large upon failure; it's just that we don't know which will fail and when, making still for a little surprise, made smaller by the tempering knowledge of the overall odds. We keep going, slogging though the dross, on the way to the gold, such as when looking for a job or a relationship or whatever.
Does free will exist?
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Yet we already know and expect ahead of time that not all hopes will be realized, and so there is no big surprise at large upon failure; it's just that we don't know which will fail and when, making still for a little surprise, made smaller by the tempering knowledge of the overall odds. We keep going, slogging though the dross, on the way to the gold, such as when looking for a job or a relationship or whatever.
yeah,but it is still legally valid
because you can reprogram yourself.
You're missing the point.
In this scenario any "reprogramming" would be, like the decision itself to do so, an inherent part of the programme.
How could I ascertain that I am in fact programmed and that that realisation was genuine and not part of the programme itself?
as long as you could reprogram yourself,why would that matter?
again. why would it matter?
the argument is if we are programmed then how would we overcome our programming to show free will..
if that programing includes the ability to reprogram ourselves, then there is free will and it matters not whether we are programmed .
No. The QUESTION is: how could we tell that we're programmed?
Again, no. Free will isn't what "allows" or even "prompts" the reprogramming, it's part of the programme itself. We only think we make the decision to do so, whereas the programme "made" us do it.
repeating the same question over and over doesn't make it any clearer.
we choose HOW to reprogram ourselves.
i think your stuck in a loop..
this is getting close to the issue of robots, if they had the ability to reprogram themselves would they be considered sentient.
Then you should have started reading earlier in the thread.
We cannot: because ALL of our decisions are made by the programme.
If they were programmed in the first place to never consider it as a possibility, or, as above, to be able to ONLY select "other" programmes that we had chosen for them before hand, what could they actually do about it? What difference would it make?
How are we any different from those robots?
How could they called "sentient" if ALL they can do is follow a programme that also makes them believe they're making their own decisions?
There: the question rephrased with more explanation.
i don't have to know i have free will..
I believe i have free will
I believe i use my mind to exercise that free will
I believe God influences my mind to exercise that free will
I believe i can choose to not listen to God
I believe i can choose to not listen to my mind
I believe i can choose to not listen to Dyw..
I believe i have free will
I believe i use my mind to exercise that free will
I believe God influences my mind to exercise that free will
I believe i can choose to not listen to God
I believe i can choose to not listen to my mind
I believe i can choose to not listen to Dyw..
If there is free will....LOOK...we are choosing to discuss it, out of all the possible activities. Scary. I could be getting a snack. If there isn't free will, woe is me, look at me, what will I do next? Oh, no...it has already starting being done.
I don't think so.
The thing about hope is that it avoids awareness of possible failure.
So in this scenario, it comes down to how we deal with uncertainty.
How we talk about it to others, how we talk about it to ourselves. What we do after this talking.
Do we call ourselves "weakling" and "idle doubter" and give ourselves a dose of ridicule and self-hatred?
Do we use other words, other emotions?
Hope is not just in operation all by itself. We know from experience how things go. All initiative do not meet with success.
Sure. But I don't think we're all that rational when hope gets its thing going.
Dywyddyr,
Wrong.
You've yet to validate this claim.
Take your own advice.
Explain WHY we don't know, instead of just saying it.
Just taking your logic to its conclusion.
Just pointing to a bunch threads doesn't prove anything.
Give direct examples.
Wrong.
jan.
Wrong.
You've yet to validate this claim.
Take your own advice.
Explain WHY we don't know, instead of just saying it.
Just taking your logic to its conclusion.
Just pointing to a bunch threads doesn't prove anything.
Give direct examples.
Wrong.
jan.