Does capitalism work?

Does capitalism work?

  • Yes

    Votes: 76 62.8%

  • No

    Votes: 45 37.2%
  • Total voters
    121
TruthSeeker said:
Anarchy!!!!! :D
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Are you serious? maybe sometime in the future if people ever evolve to become intelligent enough to mange their own affairs that would be an option, but for now the vast majority of people are far too incompetent to survive without the government, and there are way too many crazy nutjobs in the world we need the government to protect us from.
 
cool skill said:
They use the system in the China Grill.
The China Grill since it opened in the early 90s has frequently been the #1 restaurant in Miami Beach. Whether that has anything to do with their pooling of tips or not will never be determined by anybody on the face of this earth.
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So why in hell did you bring up such an example if you have virtually no data to back it up? Geez, .....

Baron Max
 
Jeff 152 said:
Are you serious? maybe sometime in the future if people ever evolve to become intelligent enough to mange their own affairs that would be an option, but for now the vast majority of people are far too incompetent to survive without the government, and there are way too many crazy nutjobs in the world we need the government to protect us from.
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The problem with anarchy is even worse than that. In an anarchy, it takes ONLY ONE person to fuck things up for the whole group! Think of it ...you can have an almost perfect system with thousands of happy people ...then one lousy malcontent ruins it for all. Anarchy can never work in any place, for any people who are not total automatons.

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
So why in hell did you bring up such an example if you have virtually no data to back it up? Geez, .....

Baron Max
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Well, in finland the tips are usually pooled. And people are paid decent salary so that they are not dependent on tips.
 
spuriousmonkey said:
Well, in finland the tips are usually pooled.
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Usually? What the fuck does that mean? And i'm sure that you don't have any data to show the difference in the two services, either, do you?

spuriousmonkey said:
And people are paid decent salary so that they are not dependent on tips.
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Interesting, but meaningless. For example, most waitresses in US restaurants would prefer to work for minimum wage PLUS tips ...they make lots more money if they're good waitresses (with nice tits!). See? They don't need or want a "decent" salary, they want more, so they work for tips ...great system that encourages good work ethics and a pleasant waitress. You Fins should try it. :)

Baron Max
 
Jeff 152 said:
Are you serious? maybe sometime in the future if people ever evolve to become intelligent enough to mange their own affairs that would be an option, but for now the vast majority of people are far too incompetent to survive without the government, and there are way too many crazy nutjobs in the world we need the government to protect us from.
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I totally agree.
 
Baron Max said:
Usually? What the fuck does that mean? And i'm sure that you don't have any data to show the difference in the two services, either, do you?
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yes, i do.

it means everybody gets a decent income in finland.
 
Baron Max said:
The problem with anarchy is even worse than that. In an anarchy, it takes ONLY ONE person to fuck things up for the whole group! Think of it ...you can have an almost perfect system with thousands of happy people ...then one lousy malcontent ruins it for all. Anarchy can never work in any place, for any people who are not total automatons.
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It works for tribes accross the planet...
 
TruthSeeker said:
Anarchy.
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I wish we were having this discussion face to face, so I could go "I agree, anarchy is the way to go. We should start now."

Then I'd beat you paralyzed so you could watch as I crushed your child's brain pan and raped your wife.


Hey, it works for tribes all over the world.
 
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TruthSeeker said:
It works for tribes accross the planet...
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No it does not.


I guess if you consider that to be working, I guess the follwing scenario could be considered working as well?
cool skill said:
The best system is base on the scientific study of social economic political technological structural. The study of what it means to be the best as in prosperous, progressive, and funcional. These questions must be posed, and logically answered.

1. How can you determine a functioning society?
One master sits on a throne, commands slaves to to build the landscape, for unparallelled beauty. The slaves are shackled underground. The master keeps the slave handlers in a little more privalaged section. The slaves are educated just enough so that they can plan and build a beautiful kingdom for their master. Then go back in their hole underground every night. they plow the fields so they can stay fed so they can build more and more of the beautiful kingdom for their master. They educate eachother just enough so they all have the skills to continue building for their master. There is a section in which those that die are buried.

If you come to the city, you can marvel at the great palaces, and the lone master that owns everything followed by his personal servants as well as hist guard that he uses to protect his riches and to keep the slave handlers in line so that the handlers can keep the slaves in line.

Now he has lots of projects going on for the improvement of his kingdom, and he ha other projects going on for other purposes of his own entertainment. As stated, he must provide all these people with a limited amount of provisions so they can at least be strong enough, and have a certain limited level of intelligence to keep working. But his projects are not limited. He has a surplus of slaves that he does not need. No sense in wasting any provisions on them. Let them die. Before they die, let them complain that there is not enough work. Because of course, they have been trained from an early age that work = provisions. No work = no provisions = dead. Therefore, they complain about unemployment.

Q:
Is this beautiful kingdom "functioning"? There is nothing saying that it isn't.
There are people. The masses are kept in line and organized. There is minimum chaos and conflict. Lots of dispair, but it very well manages to perpetuate itself through and through. The master is happy with everything because he controls everything, and gets whatever he wants. Hey that skyscraper you just built for me is a little off. Tear it down, and rebuild it from the ground up. Functioning?
Who knows? But we do have a pretty decent system for trying to get an answer:
Science!
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Ummm, correct me if im wrong, but dont most tribes have some kind of chief or medicine man or some kind of authority figure and heirarchy
 
Tribes are anarchies. When most anarchists I know discuss anarchism, this is the social structure they are talking about. Not some chaotic psycho madness everybody seems to depict anarchism as thanks to the totally warped news media.
 
From Wikipedia
The term "anarchism" is derived from the Greek αναρχία ("without archons" or "without rulers"). Thus "anarchism," in its most general meaning, is the belief that all forms of rulership are undesirable and should be abolished.
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if there is any kind of ruler or heirarchy, it is not really anarchism. But then again the US is used as an example of capitalism which of course it is not pure capitalism it is a mixed market, blending command, traditional, and market economies. Maybe it would be more correct to describe the form of governmrnt you want as a modified anarchy or a controlled anarchy I dont know, but just it is confusing. With the US, everyone knows we are not pure capitalism so its is fine to call it such, but I don't know if anyone is actually calling for a society with absolutley no government or heirarchy, so use an appropriate term.
 
A lot of tribes have no hierarchy at all. And they live in perfect harmony. Many of those live in the Amazon forest.
 
cool skill said:
Tribes are anarchies. When most anarchists I know discuss anarchism, this is the social structure they are talking about. Not some chaotic psycho madness everybody seems to depict anarchism as thanks to the totally warped news media.
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Indeed.
 
Jeff 152 said:
Ummm, correct me if im wrong, but dont most tribes have some kind of chief or medicine man or some kind of authority figure and heirarchy
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Most of them respect elders. And yes, some have a medicine man. No hierarchy, however.
 
TruthSeeker said:
A lot of tribes have no hierarchy at all. And they live in perfect harmony. Many of those live in the Amazon forest.
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No they do not. Many of them have some screwed up rituals. Their standard of living sucks. Do you really think this would be a decent solution for the whole planet?
 
If there is hierarchy, it exists with no terms. It is simply a termless hierarchy in which there are no written/nonwritten laws or foundations stating any ranking system.
 
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