I am not convinced that homosexuality is in-born because the evidence is not conclusive (including discrepancies between genders), it does not serve a biological imperative nor have a rationale for evolutionary development (as current theories seem to throw the ball squarely back into the social environment as cause)
To be more accurate, it has no biological imperative nor rationale for evolutionary development that you understand. Given that evolution has consistently conserved it within populations (and not just in modern humans, and not just in humans period) it is likely that your understanding is incomplete.
evolution has consistently conserved many things, like religion for example. pedophilia and sociopathy too, as well as a long list of disorders.To be more accurate, it has no biological imperative nor rationale for evolutionary development that you understand. Given that evolution has consistently conserved it within populations (and not just in modern humans, and not just in humans period) it is likely that your understanding is incomplete.
evolution has consistently conserved many things, like religion for example
pedophilia and sociopathy too, as well as a long list of disorders.
nature is intolerant, it's called natural selection, you breed less, you die out.Excellent defense of science against those who would presume to leverage it the way many folks leverage religion, to justify intolerance.
Perhaps if the religions were not so busy attacking the teaching of evolution,
not biology, you need that, along with some philosophy.and instead busy with remedial courses in Biology, they could appreciate some of the details behind what you just said.
there's no reason for it to be for other than to reproduce, that's the engine of life, natural selection, unless you have proof for otherwise, which apparently you do;In the first place, the instinctual drive to procreate is implemented as an instinct to couple, not necessarily for productive purposes.
admits, lolThe monthly ovulation cycle has its own underlying evolutionary cause, but it's obviously not there to provide 12 opportunities for fertilization per year. That admits that nature provides for many non-productive coupling events I hate jargon but sometimes it's a necessary evil.
close to impossible. a joke to suggest "plausible".That at least would be a plausible way for a person work through the logic of how evolution might account for this diversity in sexual preference.
you've decided that, and the world will oblige you, reality wouldn't dare to make you sad, or make you think of it as unfair.There may be better explanations, but they will never be the ones that try to justify homophobia as it's being played off in the Culture Wars.
I wanted to let this go because it's off topic here, but i came across the following and it might be relevant;Religion is not genetically inherited. It, like fashion and music, is a product of human society.
science works in mysterious ways.Let's take one inherited disorder - sickle cell anemia. For a long time everyone thought it was just plain bad; caused illness and premature death in undeveloped society. Someone like Syne would have claimed that "it does not serve a biological imperative nor have a rationale for evolutionary development." So why did evolution preserve it?
Turns out that the same genes that code for sickle cell anemia confer resistance to malaria. So there was a very strong evolutionary reason for keeping it. We just didn't understand it at first.
nature is intolerant, it's called natural selection, you breed less, you die out.
you don't breed at all, then natural selection will, uh... no that can't be right, natural selection, evolution, science! it CAN'T be homophobic! THERE'S GOTTA TO BE ANOTHER EXPLANATION!!
religon is a product of evolution.
get a clue buddy, if god doesn't exist, then where did evil religion come from to infest humanity? aliens?
lol, welcome welcome, you honor us with your presence.I think this is the most overt, smack-you-over-the-head example of scientific ignorance enabling bigotry. Because this person doesn't understand biology or natural selection, they think they've excused their hatred with a rational argument.
Okay, sorry, THIS is the best example. Not only is an ignorance of evolution, but also of history and archaeology.
lol, welcome welcome, you honor us with your presence.
now that we each got the welcomes out of the way, how about doing that thing they call discussion?
or you prefer i report you for trolling and meaningless content, you know you added nothing here but mentioning the names of some knowledge fields and expressing your unexplained feeling of superiority over others, i mean i looked for something to look up or reply to but there's nothing. come on, give me something to work with here..
If it doesn't warrant a direct response then don't respond.Nothing you've said warrants a direct response, for the reasons listed. Instead, I thinks it stands as a crystalline example of the topic of this thread.
If it doesn't warrant a direct response then don't respond.
reported for trolling.
It's generally accepted that homosexuality is not an inherited trait, since it's uncommon for identical twins to both be gay. Some suggest that it may be caused by conditions in utero, although AFAIK no one has figured out how to identify those conditions. Others insist that it's affected by the home environment in the first couple of years, but again nobody has got even a draft of a list of possible triggers.nature is intolerant, it's called natural selection, you breed less, you die out. you don't breed at all, then natural selection will, uh... no that can't be right, natural selection, evolution, science! it CAN'T be homophobic! THERE'S GOTTA TO BE ANOTHER EXPLANATION!!
Carl Jung would certainly agree with you, although he might not put it that way since genetics was not a mature science in his day. He tells us that the legends, rituals and images that comprise religion are archetypes, instinctive behaviors programmed into our neurons by our DNA. (I repeat, he would not use this language but this is how it translates into modern science.) Most instinctive behaviors, such as refusing to step off a cliff, are survival traits, passed down because the people who didn't have them died before puberty.religon is a product of evolution.
That could never have happened until quite recently. More often than not, homosexual men and women pretended to conform, married a spouse of the opposite sex, and had children. In some cases the spouse knew and allowed him/her to have clandestine liaisons. In a few cases both spouses were homosexual. In other cases it was not too hard for a gay man to have liaisons anyway since in many eras it was considered the husband's right--although it would have been much more difficult for a lesbian.imagine a city of homosexual people. now imagine it 5 centuries later.
I don't regard it as marriage.
I don't see that creating a law that prohibits consenting adults from having sex, will make things better.
From where I stand, I don't see homosexuals being demonized.
you said:]I'm afraid homosexuality would be under the heading ''adulterers and sexual perverts'' of the text.
The ''root of the problem'' is in this question. It implies that we are separate from God. It's told you what is what, now the rest is up to you. You can decide not to adhere to anything remotely God connected, or, you can try and understand that you don't know anything for real, and start to take notice, eventually gaining some kind of understanding. That's the choice. It doesn't care for our opinions.
Why do you only focus on gays?
No atrocities (including the massacres in Iraq) on innocent people, are enjoyed by good people.
What's your point here? I mean, in relation to the quoted passage.
Because people are godless, and they feel they can do whatever they like.
jan.
Are you not aware of morality existing beyond the context of faith?
I think every president that I know of (when I started paying attention to the presidency) has been demonized.
The office of the President is a farce to be honest... you have very little actual power, since the House/Senate/Congress et al can pretty much block you at every turn if they so choose (eg, if they are controlled by the other party). It isn't even about what's right for the country, it's just about making sure the "other side" doesn't look good *shrugs* And as a result, the President gets all the blame when the House/Senate/Congress are the ones stopping things from getting done.
And I don't just mean with Obama... the last SEVERAL Presidents have had more red-tape issues than they have actual policy issues!
Religion is not genetic. So how do you equate it having been "conserved" through evolution?evolution has consistently conserved many things, like religion for example.
Which are disorders. Homosexuality is not a disorder. If it were, then heterosexuality would also be classified as a disorder.pedophilia and sociopathy too, as well as a long list of disorders.
It is my experience that anytime someone begins a sentence with "lol", then any insult or clever quip that may follow is usually one based on stupidity. This rambling post of yours is a prime example of this.lol at your feeble attempt. billvon was arguing from ignorance.
we don't have wings so we're not supposed to fly.
oh no, maybe we're supposed to fly because maybe evolution had reason for us to work but it's beyond our understanding, like, why else do we have long legs which we can easily attach artificial webbing to which would help in gliding, and later, flying? if we had short legs then we couldn't attach the artificial webbing to. there's definitely a weird and hidden messages in the workings of evolution.
Homosexuals can and do have children.nature is intolerant, it's called natural selection, you breed less, you die out.
you don't breed at all, then natural selection will, uh... no that can't be right, natural selection, evolution, science! it CAN'T be homophobic! THERE'S GOTTA TO BE ANOTHER EXPLANATION!!
Can you please provide scientific references for this?religon is a product of evolution.
The primitive human brain and even more primitive human understanding of their surroundings.get a clue buddy, if god doesn't exist, then where did evil religion come from to infest humanity? aliens?
Yes.. People have sex only to have babies... Don't really get out much, do you?there's no reason for it to be for other than to reproduce, that's the engine of life, natural selection, unless you have proof for otherwise, which apparently you do;
Depends on the species.admits, lol
how many times are other species able to fertilize a year? once? how many times can the chemicals we originated from reproduce themselves and their reaction in a year? 10? how about a million? how long was the period of the "first" fertilization of life? and you're complaining it's only 12 a year.
-skipped a bunch-
That's the same argument racists use against others..close to impossible. a joke to suggest "plausible".
the diversity isn't really a diversity, there's hetero, then there's minorities, occasional mutations which get clipped out quickly.
Would be like any other city. Homosexual people do have children.imagine a city of homosexual people. now imagine it 5 centuries later.
staggering.
If the "disease" is being black, having a foreskin or sweating when you run - yes, we should absolutely be smart enough to realize that those things are not really diseases. Even if you don't like blacks, or don't like to sweat, or think everyone should be circumcised.science works in mysterious ways.
should we stop trying to cure diseases because they might have hidden benefits?
Nope. We should always be learning more.should we disregard what we know for what we don't know?
Even if that killed millions from malaria? Would that be the smart, scientific thing to do? Or would it be wiser to learn more so we can make better decisions?until sickle cell anemia was discovered to have that relation to malaria resistance, the correct, and scientific thing to do, was to try and eradicate it, we work with the evidence that we have, not what might pop up later on.
So are condoms. However, they are generally a good idea for people to use. The scientific evidence points to a reduction in disease through their use.syne's comment is common sense and the basis of science, work according to evidence. homosexuality is the antithesis of breeding.
there's really no other way to put it.