Dear Believers, prove your god or gods is/aren't just fiction(s).

Yes, ask Lasse Ronnenberg for scriptural reference.
I will go a step further: God called him his own son when Jesus was baptized:

Matthew 3:13-17
The Baptism of Jesus​

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
 
I wonder if you made a typo. I expected you to say the opposite. That "Faith is a red flag". But I find myself agreeing that "Lack of Faith is a red flag". Because faith and hope drives us forward and those who have neither become as selfish as a hungry babe. Only with faith can they overcome their base desire for food, hoping to get it later, trusting a loving parent that they have not learned to have faith in yet.
Then you read it wrong.
 
I will go a step further: God called him his own son when Jesus was baptized:

Matthew 3:13-17​

The Baptism of Jesus​

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

I will go a step further: God called him his own son when Jesus was baptized:

Matthew 3:13-17​

The Baptism of Jesus​

13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
And you trust that to be a factual accounting of the events?
 
"goose chase"
And that from someone you tried to get Pinball to watch a 1hr 20min Video, and ran away saying ‘’thank you for your time.”
Didn't watch the video. Tried to lie to me then started in with the stupid legacy media and politicized propaganda which is all he wanted to do in the first place because nothing matters in a wolrd of illusion and ideology. How ya' feel about that? I don't give a fuck. Truth. Now that is something different. If you find yourself in a land of illusion you disengage, or when in Rome?

Idiots. Guess what, guys. Ain't no point in talking if ain't nobody listning. Blows your cover, dumb ass. Your bullshit is no good then.
 
What the hell difference does that make, look at the world of illusion you people live in.
I agree, it's highly dismissable. The family went for a census that never happened, was never scheduled to happen then. But it did put the fam in "the house of David". Unfortunately the heritage follows the male line, so Jesus wouldn't be of the House of David.

I would make one more observation about Jesus's birth but it got me suspended on an atheist forum a few years ago.
 
If you base your concept of GOD on judeo/christian canon:
You may be headed down the wrong path if knowledge is your goal

kierkegaard labeled Abraham as the father of faith
(or so the story goes)
None of what GOD asked of Abraham made any sense
but
Abraham went ahead and did it anyway-----------
FAITH
 
I'm not a Christian, so I'm not convinced by some of the things you said, but nevertheless, it's a good post.

There is so much wrong here and I barely know where to start cleaning it all up.

1. Faith

You have said a lot against God and "faith"... Didn't you say that you have never "cashed a check on faith" alone?
I find this statement somewhat unlikely as I am sure you have entered into agreements with no guarantee of profit. But I digress.

All people act out of faith. It does not matter if their faith is true or not, it makes them act.
No farmer would throw his precious food grains on the ground if he did not have faith in the law of the harvest, and hoped for a harvest later.
Faith is a driving motivator, and no person can live without faith. People who lose all faith stop getting up in the mornings and eventually die. You go to work having faith in salaries or profits. You cook food having faith that you can eat it later. Faith is as simple as that. What you do not have faith in, is God.

Yes, I agree very strongly with that. I guess that I might define 'faith' as commitment in the face of incomplete or unreliable justification. And it's simply the human condition that none of our beliefs (not even those beliefs that receive the honorific 'scientific knowledge') are absolutely certain or immune from being wrong. But it's also the human condition that we have to commit ourselves to action in life, even if we can't be 100% certain that our choice of action is correct. We couldn't live our lives if we refused to act on faith.

2. Evidence

People have a tendency to disregard evidence they do not agree with.
Yes, we all bring our preexisting beliefs (faith commitments) to our evaluation of evidence. I tend to give items of evidence plausibility weights, based on what I already believe (admittedly imperfect) about reality and how it works. I tend, generally speaking, to give the pronouncements of natural science about physical reality higher weights than evidence that seems to contradict the pronouncements of science. (In other words I have faith that scientific pronouncements are on average well-justified.)

There have been found many strange "Out of Place Artifacts" around the world. Things we cannot explain. And yet they are either explained away or disregarded. For example: People may or may not listen to somebody who says they have seen an angel or a UFO. But still we find records of visions and experiences that we cannot explain.
Yes. I take the "pessimistic induction" seriously. This is the observation that most of what scientists in past centuries said about reality is now considered false by contemporary science. So what justifies our assurance that today's scientific beliefs might prove to be just as mistaken from the point of view of some hypothetical future science?

So, if even our seemingly best justified beliefs about reality are just imperfect works-in-progress and might be seriously wrong, what justifies our belief that anomalies can't occur? Events that violate our best expectations? While I tend to assign them lower plausibility weights than what I expect to happen, it's never going to be zero. I'm very much a Fortean in that regard.
What did Moses see, when he explained about the burning bush that was not consumed by fire? Was it electric lighting? Was it magic? He experienced something, I am sure of it, since I have sufficient faith to believe his account of that experience. So why do we not believe him? Why do we not believe people when they come back from a Near Death Experience and tell us that there is a life beyond this life?

I posit that there is not exactly a lack of evidence. There is merely a lack of faith.

Like I said, I'm not a Christian, Jew or Muslim, so I'm inclined to give the Moses story a very low plausibility weight. I'm probably most inclined to doubt that Moses was an actual historical person, as opposed to a mythical hero-figure of some sort. Assuming he is historical, I have no way of knowing what he might have experienced, or what its religious significance might have been. All I have is what centuries of subsequent tradition say about all that.

I wouldn't call my situation "lack of faith". I am displaying my positive faith commitment that my own life path needn't concern itself with what I take to be Hebrew myth.
3. Do an experiment to find the truth

Jesus Christ claimed to be the Son of God. He claimed that his words and commandments would bring salvation. But he never asked for "blind" faith. To those who doubted that Jesus' teachings come from God: (John 7:16-17) "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself."
In other words. Try it out. See if living the teachings of Jesus Christ will not make you a happier person. See if faith in Him will not enrichen your life, grant you more happiness, love and faith. Give you peace of mind and ultimately grant you a majestic resurrection.

Yes. The Buddha said similar things. He didn't teach a metaphysics so much as he taught a practice. He said don't trust traditions, religious teachers or scriptures to give you the answer. You have to experience it for yourself. The way to reach that point in his particular system is to perform the ethical/meditative practices that he laid out.

I've always liked how that's a sort of religious empiricism, except that 'experience' has been broadened out from sensory experience to psychological experience more generally.
 
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"We couldn't live our lives if we refused to act on faith."

LOL
How would you propose that a person live their life without faith? Without trust, confidence and willingness to act on things that they don't actually know with certainty? (Which would seem to include everything that we take to be "knowledge".)
 
Really? Who were they?
These were the followers that many of them experienced the day of pentecoste, where the spirit of God appeared like fire amongst them and they had the miracle where they could all understand each other even if some spoke Greek and some Egyptian and others from far away. These people witnessed Jesus Ascend to heaven and heard the two angels testify that Jesus would return again later.

The account here is rather short though:
50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
 
"We couldn't live our lives if we refused to act on faith."LOL
If you are forced to use a word like faith in science....
Early humans didn’t need to put their faith in anything but a big stick. Now days, we still have these big sticks (science) for our faith.
And, a funny thing about this kind of faith, is that it changes along with the changing models.
You see anywhere a god needs to come into this?:)
 
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How would you propose that a person live their life without faith? Without trust, confidence and willingness to act on things that they don't actually know with certainty? (Which would seem to include everything that we take to be "knowledge".)
Woah. You're confusing confidence with religious faith. They are different. No Sky Daddy needed with confidence. And the mystical crap gets old quickly. Try adulting.
 
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