Dear Believers, prove your god or gods is/aren't just fiction(s).

cluelusshusbund said:
Yes... an if all the simpler possibilities had been thoroughly researched an ruled out... an the only thang left was Jesus... would you then bow down an praize you'r Lord an Savior.???
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Even if we accepted it was (a guy claiming to be) Jesus who could actually walk on water, why would that cause anyone to bow down and praise him, let alone call him a savior?

My first reaction would be to take him aside and say "What'll you get a load of what they've been saying about you after your death!" And then I would take him to see a matinee of "Life of Brian".
 
DaveC426913 said:
Even if we accepted it was (a guy claiming to be) Jesus who could actually walk on water, why would that cause anyone to bow down and praise him, let alone call him a savior?
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An the real Holey Bible Jesus says to you... "Its judgment day... accept me as Lord an Savior an go to heaven... or reject me an go to Hell.!!!"

What would you do.???

You'r answer might help Trek focus... an come up wit the evidence Gawdzilla Sama seeks which coud get this thread back on track B-)
 
cluelusshusbund said:
An the real Holey Bible Jesus says to you... "Its judgment day... accept me as Lord an Savior an go to heaven... or reject me an go to Hell.!!!"
What would you do.???
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I would say "Well, I have no trouble accepting Jesus was a real guy. I'm not convinced he was the son of God. Can you convince me?"
 
Never had any reason to believe in any god or gods, and that hasn't changed despite the relentless cacophony of people condemning me to Hell for not falling for the drivel they wallow in.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I would say "Well, I have no trouble accepting Jesus was a real guy. I'm not convinced he was the son of God. Can you convince me?"
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So you accept that the guy walkin on water is Jesus but you ant convinced his daddy is God... fair enough.!!!

To help you understand that he really is the Holey Bible Jesus... he goes the extra mile an gives you a 1 second taste of hell... an then after 3 days of screaming you are finaly able to mumble... an then Jesus asks agan... "Do you accept me as you'r Lord an Savior... or choose an eternity in Hell"... which would you choose.???
 
cluelusshusbund said:
So you accept that the guy walkin on water is Jesus but you ant convinced his daddy is God... fair enough.!!!
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Well, if he says he is Jesus, I would want him to demonstrate how he's alive after 2000 years. That would not be a short conversation, and it would likely require props and maybe a field trip.

cluelusshusbund said:
To help you understand that he really is the Holey Bible Jesus... he goes the extra mile an gives you a 1 second taste of hell... an then after 3 days of screaming you are finaly able to mumble... an then Jesus asks agan... "Do you accept me as you'r Lord an Savior... or choose an eternity in Hell"... which would you choose.???
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So you're saying he is literally able to demonstrate that, not only is there a heaven and a hell, but that he has the power to send me there.

I would say "Heaven, please!"

What idiot wouldn't?

Was this in doubt? All you've learned is what you already know: that skeptics such as myself do have a threshold of evidence that we will accept for the existence of god, and that we are certainly happy to change our minds if that threshold is crossed. Does anyone doubt this?
 
DaveC426913 said:
So you're saying he is literally able to demonstrate that, not only is there a heaven and a hell, but that he has the power to send me there.

I would say "Heaven, please!"

What idiot wouldn't?

Was this in doubt? All you've learned is what you already know: that skeptics such as myself do have a threshold of evidence that we will accept for the existence of god, and that we are certainly happy to change our minds if that threshold is crossed. Does anyone doubt this?
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That reply gets you a "A" :smile:

Me... befor i chose heaven i would at least ask for a 1 second preview... then I could make a more informed decision as to which seemed less torturous :?

That reply gets me a "A +" :cool:
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
Heaven is for folks who kiss a lot of ass. Singing endless hosannas to the biggest ego in the Universe FOREVER.
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Whether its Kiss Azz or Kick Azz... by hook or crook ther ultimate gole all to often is to force ther beliefs onto others... an I offer that as backdoor evidence that Holey Bible God is real -_O
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
Heaven is for folks who kiss a lot of ass. Singing endless hosannas to the biggest ego in the Universe FOREVER.
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That depends on what you think heaven is. Your idea of heaven (fictional or not) is not my idea of heaven.

Regardless, if hell is eternal burning flame, only a fool would choose that willingly.
 
cluelusshusbund said:
That reply gets you a "A" :smile:
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I'm glad I meet with your approval.

cluelusshusbund said:
Me... befor i chose heaven i would at least ask for a 1 second preview... then I could make a more informed decision as to which seemed less torturous :?
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If God - or God in Jesus form - appeared before me and is able to convince me of his obvious power, I'm not sure I'd need a preview.
That "convince me" ship has sailed.

It's kind of like being mugged.
Mugger: "I have a giant sword. Give all your money or I will gut you like a fish."
Clueless: "OK, I see your sword, but can I have a small preview of this gutting me like a fish? Nothing lethal, mind, just enough so I can decide if I like it less than parting with all my money."
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
I have no problem with you having your own version of Heaven. Anybody can make shit up.
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Right. The point being heaven is only for ass-kissers if you believe that's what heaven is about.

If I had a heaven, it would be a park that extended to the horizon in every direction, and I would stroll or lounge under a tree, talking with Newton, Einstein, Gutenberg and an infinite list of other people I'd like to meet, all of whom would wander by eventually.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Well, any flavour of eternal afterlife suffers from that problem. Might as well have an infinite crowd of people to while away the time with.
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Really? You'd take an eternity of being bored out of your mind? I'm 74 and I'm not afraid of dying, I'm afraid of being a locked-in being stored on some raisin ranch where they change your diaper maybe once a day.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I'm glad I meet with your approval.
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Only in that you amuse me :D
DaveC426913 said:
If God - or God in Jesus form - appeared before me and is able to convince me of his obvious power, I'm not sure I'd need a preview.
That "convince me" ship has sailed.
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Like you say... you'r "not sure" that the Holey Bible heaven woud be beter than the Holey Bible hell… an especially sinse both was created by a monster.!!!

Yep… only a Fool woudnt attempt to confirm that an alternative to “Holey Bible heaven” ant beter… but you do you :p
 
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