Dear Believers, prove your god or gods is/aren't just fiction(s).

I’m only interested in why you are an atheist.
You should start a thread on that. That would put you in the asking position, instead of the answering position.

This thread challenges you, as a Jan, to produce evidence of God. That's all we care about here.

You have acknowledged, explicitly, that you can't, three times now.

That's enough for me to put the issue to bed until the next Jan pops up, claiming they have God in their heart of hearts.
 
The same reason I spend time arguing about crime, corruption, poverty, and a host of other issues with the world.
God doesn’t affect you because as far as you’re concerned there is no God.
But those issues you mentioned affect every body. So your reason for being obsessed with God makes no sense. Try again. This time be honest
You didn't have to engage. But you did.
This wasn't your thread; nobody hijacked your conversation. You came here of you own free will.
So what?
The thread starter should explain his reason for why he thinks this thread is relevant to theists.
Because it obviously isn’t.
This is supposed to be the “intelligent community”. I suggest you folks live up to it
Defending Jan now, are we?
Huh?
I’m making a point
"We"? Wiki is not here. You are.
Why don’t you verse yourself on definitions of God before entering a discussion. At least the rhetoric will stay in the proper lane instead of talking about unicorns and the like.
So, is that how you define God? Is that the God you are defending here?
Are you comfortable with us lifting anything from Wikipedia we see fit to challenge you on?

Or perhaps, more-to-the-point: when you asked what evidence I was looking for of God, if I had said "Oh, the one Wiki lists", would you have accepted that , and you would defend that in good faith?


The only God to be debated is yours. Wiki isn't here to defend itself. What is your definition of God?


You now, Jan tried this exact same dodge many years ago. He simply could not describe the very thing he believed in. It doesn't matter whether you are Jan, you are a clone of him.

In fact, I think I may take a page out of your book with the one-label thing. I'm just going to refer to (what was it you said?) "you people" as you Jans. I'm sure you're OK with that.

OK, so I was right the first time. You make no distinction.

Likewise, you'll agree that you and fire-and-brimstone Bible-thumpers are two sides the of same coin.

Or perhaps you'd rather drop the strawmen?



This is an indefensible - and frankly, kooky - assertion. It can be dismissed outight.


Nevertheless, you have engaged in it, so you accept its terms.


You are unable to think rationally about God. I am employing an analogy to help you see some logic without triggering your pre-existing belief in the conclusion.

It is an analogy wherein you are put in the position of wanting evidence for something you do not believe in - which is precisely what you have been harping on about. That is a perfectly valid debate technique.

If your stance here were rational, you would not need to shy away from a valid, neutral analogy.


Yes it is. I'm glad you see that. That is a huge admission on your part.

That's three times now you've conceded.
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I'd say this thread is done.
 
God doesn’t affect you because as far as you’re concerned there is no God.
Like poverty, corruption and crime, God affects other people that inhabit the world I live in. And they affect me.

This is pretty basic social interaction. You do know what social interaction is, right?

So your reason for being obsessed with God makes no sense.
I am OK with it making no sense to you.

You do after all, believe you have a(n unevidenced) god living in your head, so it's not surprising that a lot of normal things don't make sense to you. Like, say, social interaction?

The thread starter should explain his reason for why he thinks this thread is relevant to theists.
He has no such obligation.

Nor is there a need: it sorts itself out automatically: Those who feel the thread relevant to them will participate, and those who don't feel it's relevant will not.

By your participation, you have indicated that it is relevant to you.

Why don’t you verse yourself on definitions of God before entering a discussion.
I have plenty of definitions of God.

The only one that really matters is your definition of God, since it is the only one here that can potentially have a champion in its corner here in this thread.

But it is becoming increasingly apparent that you don't have one. Or worse, you simply lack the courage to stand behind it.

At least the rhetoric will stay in the proper lane instead of talking about unicorns and the like.
If you are inacapable of grasping analogies, you won't get very far in a discsusson about abstracts.

But I think you are capable of grasping analogies; I suspect you are avoiding it because you know it skewers the hypocrisy of your position.
You demand evidence before believing in unicorns, but you do not demand evidence before believing in God. Your avoidance of this speaks louder than your involvement.



Regardless, this is all post mortem. Thrice you've acknowledged you have no way of determining God lives anywhere but in your head, let alone anywhere in the material world. That pretty much puts the nail in the coffin - see thread title.
 
Like poverty, corruption and crime, God affects other people that inhabit the world I live in. And they affect me.
How does God affect you?
I am OK with it making no sense to you.
At least you acknowledge you are obsessed with God.
You do after all, believe you have a(n unevidenced) god living in your head, so it's not surprising that a lot of normal things don't make sense to you. Like, say, social interaction?
I’ve no idea what you’re talking about?
What do you mean by “god”?
He has no such obligation.

Nor is there a need: it sorts itself out automatically: Those who feel the thread relevant to them will participate, and those who don't feel it's relevant will not.
He does.
Nothing can be proven outside of mathematics.
So the answer to his thread question is obviously no. But what does he mean by “god and gods”?
And why stop at theists!
Everybody is capable of creating fiction.
We live in a world where fiction is the order of the day. I would like to dig deeper and gain some understanding of what is being got at here.
Why does does he think that God is, or could be fictional?
I have plenty of definitions of God.
So why not use your definitions instead of unicorns which has no relationship, or even in the same category as God. It would make for a better discussion. Than these atheist cheap shots. It’s like you’re afraid to have a real discussion.
The only one that really matters is your definition of God, since it is the only one here that can potentially have a champion in its corner here in this thread.
The word “God” is the definition not the name.
You do know what the definition of God is, that is why you are in denial of God. That is evidenced by you pretending to equate unicorns, and asking me about god only being in my head.
You do that on purpose to stop yourself from discussing God properly.
But it is becoming increasingly apparent that you don't have one. Or worse, you simply lack the courage to stand behind it.
I literally just gave you a link with basic definitions of God.
Choose one from there.
They are all more in line with the subject of God
If you are inacapable of grasping analogies, you won't get very far in a discsusson about abstracts.
Your analogies are in wrong category.
That is why we should get a good understanding of what is meant by God.
That is if you really are interested in a discussion.
But I think you are capable of grasping analogies; I suspect you are avoiding it because you know it skewers the hypocrisy of your position.
Here you your dishonesty horns are showing.
You already have a concept of God, but it is not the God of theists. You’re not really interested in discussion.
You demand evidence before believing in unicorns, but you do not demand evidence before believing in God. Your avoidance of this speaks louder than your involvement.
Again, based on this “analogy” I don’t know what you mean by “God”.
What makes you think you need the same type of evidence to believe in God?
This only shows you are treating the concept of God the same way you treat physical/potentially physical objects. Why do you do that? What makes you think theists understand God in this way?
Thrice you've acknowledged you have no way of determining God lives anywhere but in your head, let alone anywhere in the material world. That pretty much puts the nail in the coffin - see thread title.
I’ve read the thread title and obviously I can’t prove anything outside of mathematics. So I’m now interested in the idea behind the challenge, because being the “intelligent community” I thought maybe we extend the discussion.
Whaddya reckon? :D
 
Biochemistry isn't magic, it's a result of education. I can understand why some folks believe it is magic, but I don't let them into my house.
So you believe that Lysosomes, Centrioles, Microtubules, Golgi Apparatus, Smooth endoplasmic reticulums, Mitochondrion’s, Rough endoplasmic recticulums, Cell membranes, Nuclei, Chromatims, Ribosomes, all just happened to form in goo. Now we have all of life.
And you think you can justify it by throwing out the term biochemist.
You really don’t think that’s magical?
 
So you believe that Lysosomes, Centrioles, Microtubules, Golgi Apparatus, Smooth endoplasmic reticulums, Mitochondrion’s, Rough endoplasmic recticulums, Cell membranes, Nuclei, Chromatims, Ribosomes, all just happened to form in goo. Now we have all of life.
And you think you can justify it by throwing out the term biochemist.
You really don’t think that’s magical?
Magic is an excuse for not thinking. I don't believe in magic or gods or Tralfamadorians.
 
So you believe that Lysosomes, Centrioles, Microtubules, Golgi Apparatus, Smooth endoplasmic reticulums, Mitochondrion’s, Rough endoplasmic recticulums, Cell membranes, Nuclei, Chromatims, Ribosomes, all just happened to form in goo.
No. Stop misrepresenting science with stupid comments, no one in the scientific community speaks like this.
 
Since no one has stuck their neck out so I will start the ball rolling.
The universe is here and a god could have either created it or just set the ball rolling at an earlier point “before” the BB we cannot detect.
By created “it” I mean the hot dense gluon plasma 13.8 billion years ago, from there it took its own course and here we are.
Playing devil’s advocate would ask, “why take such a longwinded way round things? If we, mankind were the ultimate goal?
IF we are not the ultimate goal we could just be a by-product of god messing round in the lab so to speak.
I am not being facetious here, we have no idea if a potential god is out there and does not have our interests at heart.
 
Since no one has stuck their neck out so I will start the ball rolling.
The universe is here and a god could have either created it or just set the ball rolling at an earlier point “before” the BB we cannot detect.
By created “it” I mean the hot dense gluon plasma 13.8 billion years ago, from there it took its own course and here we are.
Playing devil’s advocate would ask, “why take such a longwinded way round things? If we, mankind were the ultimate goal?
IF we are not the ultimate goal we could just be a by-product of god messing round in the lab so to speak.
I am not being facetious here, we have no idea if a potential god is out there and does not have our interests at heart.
What makes you think 13 billion years is any length of time to God?
 
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