Dear Believers, prove your god or gods is/aren't just fiction(s).

[DaveC426913]

The evidence isn’t intellectual.
You have take steps toward it.
Go look at some former atheists testimony to get a glimpse of how they explain ther journey.
It is a living thing.
It changes you from the core.
You see life differently.
It’s not just one thing

This is what you've offered.

It sounds like what youre saying is I have to believe in God before he will exist for me. I have to have faith in his existence.

 

[kx000]

And that leads to the "War in Heaven"? Who won, Satan or God? Well, the winner writes the history. Believers still alive would not know.

Satan is the rebel, and he over ran Lucifer, and he has his fall, before the creation of man. After the fall of Persephone (Hades), the renegade approaches Heaven, but St Michael is triumphant over the devil, and life goes on. That leads to descent and Michael becomes Adam, but He is tempted into knowledge of good and evil, at the tree of life.

 

[kx000]

why?

It’s just too dangerous.

 

[Trek]

You've been asked for evidence that it lives outside your head. Do you have any or not?

Your atheism is kicking in again.
if I don’t give you satisfactory evidence does it mean God is not real?
If it does mean that God is not real then I am correct in saying that as far as you’re concerned… there is no God and as such you are being dishonest when asking for evidence.

If however if it doesn’t mean God is not real then you’re asking the wrong questions, and I recommend you check out former, explicit, card carrying atheists giving their testimonies.
It’s a good place to start because they are coming from the same place as you all

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You don’t have a good reason to be an atheist, unless you accept the illogic. Like (neo) Darwinian Evolution.

"Illogic"? Why you use words you don't know what they mean?

 

[DaveC426913]

Your atheism is kicking in again.

This really hurts your case.

Rather than addressing my arguments, you are addressing your concept of atheism. That's a classic straw man.

Not to mention that you have already established that you don't what atheism is. If I were a lesser man I might start calling you a liar (if that were somehow logical).

if I don’t give you satisfactory evidence does it mean God is not real?

It simply means I lack sufficient evidence to believe he is real.
It is logically impossible to prove a negative, so it would be folly for me to assert God does not exist.
Best I can do is relegate him to the same place as unicorns: "Not sayin' they don't exist, just sayin' I'll believe it when see it."

This is how all humans work, including you. You lack sufficient evidence of garden faeries, therefore you are not convinced they are real. If I can't produce evidence that satisfies you, you are right to continue to be skeptical that they exist.

If it does mean that God is not real then I am correct in saying that as far as you’re concerned… there is no God

I am not prepared to say there is "no such thing" as unicorns.
My stance is, and always has been "I'll accept it when I see it."

and as such you are being dishonest when asking for evidence.

I still do not find any logic in this.

How is asking for evidence for something being 'dishonest'? Take makes no sense. Please explain this.

... I recommend you check out former, explicit, card carrying atheists giving their testimonies.

I'm asking you, here, now. Because you are here, making a claim for God's existence.

And what I'm hearing is "Who me? I don't know; I was indoctrinated early in my life to believe without needing evidence. Go ask these other guys who came by their belief honestly."

Please, disabuse me of this notion that you, personally, neither have - nor require - evidence.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No I don't.
You need to provide your evidence.

You do, but you won't. You have no evidence for any god or gods. Repeat that to yourself when you start to make unprovable claims.

 

[gmilam]

Your atheism is kicking in again.
if I don’t give you satisfactory evidence does it mean God is not real?
If it does mean that God is not real then I am correct in saying that as far as you’re concerned… there is no God and as such you are being dishonest when asking for evidence.

If however if it doesn’t mean God is not real then you’re asking the wrong questions, and I recommend you check out former, explicit, card carrying atheists giving their testimonies.
It’s a good place to start because they are coming from the same place as you all

Translation: "I got nothin'."

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Satan is the rebel, and he over ran Lucifer, and he has his fall, before the creation of man. After the fall of Persephone (Hades), the renegade approaches Heaven, but St Michael is triumphant over the devil, and life goes on. That leads to descent and Michael becomes Adam, but He is tempted into knowledge of good and evil, at the tree of life.

Whoever lost was the loser. The loser was Satan, ipso facto. You don't know otherwise.

 

[foghorn]

It's lucky Trex is honest and not like Jan Ardena, who was 'permanently' banned.

 

[DaveC426913]

You do, but you won't. You have no evidence for any god or gods. Repeat that to yourself when you start to make unprovable claims.

Did you mean to quote me?

 

[DaveC426913]

It's lucky Trex is honest and not like Jan Ardena, who was 'permanently' banned.

Yeah. It's coming back to me like a bad dream.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Did you mean to quote me?

There was one wonky post. Tried to clean it up.

 

[Trek]

Rather than addressing my arguments, you are addressing your concept of atheism. That's a classic straw man.

Not to mention that you have already established that you don't what atheism is. If I were a lesser man I might start calling you a liar (if that were somehow logical).

Focus. Atheism is a lack of/without belief in a God, or gods. Stop trying to make things more complex than they really are.
You’re not a lesser man, you’re just without belief.

It simply means I lack sufficient evidence to believe he is real.

That wasn’t the question…
“If I don’t give you satisfactory evidence does it mean God is not real?”

It is logically impossible to prove a negative, so it would be folly for me to assert God does not exist.

You get around that by asking dishonest questions. We theists can see you coming a mile off because you’ve been using the same points forever. Just like folks you make stupid threads like these, then proceed to churn out the same old bs.
It’s obvious you’re only validating your denial of God, the reason for your atheism.

Best I can do is relegate him to the same place as unicorns:

Couldn’t have said it better myself! Of course that is the best you can do. Because you are in denial of God.

"Not sayin' they don't exist, just sayin' I'll believe it when see it."

Are you saying you’ll believe God exists when you see him? lol!!

This is how all humans work, including you. You lack sufficient evidence of garden faeries, therefore you are not convinced they are real. If I can't produce evidence that satisfies you, you are right to continue to be skeptical that they exist.

Since when do you know how ALL HUMANS WORK?
Why talk about garden fairies if not to belittle God. Told you are in denial.

I am not prepared to say there is "no such thing" as unicorns.

Why do you keep comparing Unicorns to God?
To justify your denial maybe?

My stance is, and always has been "I'll accept it when I see it."

And there’s your atheism kicking in.
You don’t have to believe in God until you see him. If I don’t see him then he is not real.
If he is not real then my denial is justified.

I still do not find any logic in this.

I don’t believe you.
You will say anything to justify your stance.

 

[Trek]

You do, but you won't. You have no evidence for any god or gods. Repeat that to yourself when you start to make unprovable claims.

Thanks Gawd old mate.

 

[Trek]

Did you mean to quote me?

Yes he did..
He just doesn’t know it

 

[Trek]

There was one wonky post. Tried to clean it up.

Don’t worry..
The truth came out.

 

[DaveC426913]

It’s obvious you’re only validating your denial of God, the reason for your atheism.

Despite all your deflections, the onus remains on you to produce evidence of the thing you claim exists.

Show us any reason to conclude your god exists anywhere but in your head.

You still can't do that, can you?

After all these years, Jan is still stuck at square one.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Denial of unreality is the sound tactic.

 

[Trek]

Despite all your deflections, the onus remains on you to produce evidence of the thing you claim exists.

That’s not how it works atheist.
Go and learn something about God, then come back and we’ll chat.

Show us any reason to conclude your god exists anywhere but in your head.

Show us the excuse there is no evidence for God is anywhere but in your head.

You still can't do that, can you?

You’re right atheist.. I can’t
Never said I could, neither have I attempted to.

After all these years, Jan is still stuck at square one.

You think I’m Jan
The reality is, you’re stuck at square one, because you have to defend you’re atheism.

You’re so deranged you can’t even refer to God without attempting to belittle him.