Crop Circles
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i have questions about these purported anomalies
have they been documented?
by whom?
if so, what are they and what explanations have been proffered?
james? phlog? anyone?
/eager
you a circlemaker? pics?
/excited
have they been documented?
by whom?
if so, what are they and what explanations have been proffered?
james? phlog? anyone?
/eager
you a circlemaker? pics?
/excited
There are people who have done more than try it. They have made complicated circles and explained how they did it.
Visit http://www.circlemakers.org/index.html
From their beginners guide they say to use surveyors tape, not rope.
We are talking about holding a rope (string, tape whatever) tight and stomping grass at the same time. Lets not pretend that this amazing feat is beyond the ability of humans.
The guy in the linked video 'Dr' Eltjo Haselhoff seems to have his doctorate from a pseudoscientific institute. He got a paper/letter published in a horticultural magazine, not 'Nature' or any major publication. It was claimed his paper was 'peer reviewed' but his peers are woowoos, so that doesn't count for much.
So the 'anomalies' remain 'purported' and have not been 'proven'.
with regards to the "horticultural magazine"........
Physiologia Plantarum Is a peer reviewed scientific journal published by Wiley-Blackwell on behalf of the Scandinavian Plant Physiology Society. The journal publishes papers on all aspects of all organizational levels of experimental plant biology ranging from biophysics, biochemistry, molecular and cell biology to ecophysiology.
the relevant portion being....
ISI Journal Citation Reports® Ranking: 2008: 31/155 Plant Sciences
Impact Factor: 2.334
ranked 31st out of 155 in that category by ISI Journal Citation Reports
lets do a comparison.....
The 2008 impact factor for Nature Cell Biology is 17.776, according to ISI Journal Citation Reports.
the editorial policies of each.....
Physiologia Plantarum
Nature Cell Biology
lets sample several editors in this horticultural magazine
Hélène Barbier-Brygoo, Gif-sur-Yvette, France
Catherine Bellini, Umeå, Sweden
Douglas Campbell, Sackville, NB, Canada
Hyung-Taeg Cho, Daejeon, Republic of Korea
Wah Soon Chow, Canberra, ACT, Australia
Alan Crozier, Glasgow, United Kingdom
Karl-Josef Dietz, Bielefeld, Germany
Christine H. Foyer, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom
Per Gardeström, Umeå, Sweden
Zhizhong Gong, Beijing, People's Republic of China
Christer Larsson, Lund, Sweden
Annie Marion-Poll, Versailles, France
Ian M. Møller, Århus, Denmark
Hong Gil Nam, Pohang, Republic of Korea
Per Nissen, Ås, Norway
Melvin J. Oliver, Columbia, MO, USA
James B. Reid, Hobart, TAS, Australia
Renate Scheibe, Osnabrück, Germany
Vladimir Shulaev, Blacksburg, VA, USA
Dominique Van Der Straeten, Gent, Belgium
Björn Sundberg, Umeå, Sweden
Ryohei Terauchi, Iwate, Japan
Thomas C. Vogelmann, Burlington, VT, USA
Peter Westhoff, Düsseldorf, Germany
Jianru Zuo, Beijing, People's Republic of China
i agree, phlog
your woo woo assessment is clearly on the mark
thanks
shall we take a look at these papers that got published.?
perhaps you can bring to bear, your expertise on the methodology utilized and conclusions reached?
i do wish james would weigh in
perhaps even skin would deign to honor us with a visit
/hungry for knowledge
Physiologia Plantarum Is a peer reviewed scientific journal published by Wiley-Blackwell on behalf of the Scandinavian Plant Physiology Society. The journal publishes papers on all aspects of all organizational levels of experimental plant biology ranging from biophysics, biochemistry, molecular and cell biology to ecophysiology.
the relevant portion being....
ISI Journal Citation Reports® Ranking: 2008: 31/155 Plant Sciences
Impact Factor: 2.334
ranked 31st out of 155 in that category by ISI Journal Citation Reports
lets do a comparison.....
The 2008 impact factor for Nature Cell Biology is 17.776, according to ISI Journal Citation Reports.
the editorial policies of each.....
Physiologia Plantarum
Nature Cell Biology
lets sample several editors in this horticultural magazine
Hélène Barbier-Brygoo, Gif-sur-Yvette, France
Catherine Bellini, Umeå, Sweden
Douglas Campbell, Sackville, NB, Canada
Hyung-Taeg Cho, Daejeon, Republic of Korea
Wah Soon Chow, Canberra, ACT, Australia
Alan Crozier, Glasgow, United Kingdom
Karl-Josef Dietz, Bielefeld, Germany
Christine H. Foyer, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom
Per Gardeström, Umeå, Sweden
Zhizhong Gong, Beijing, People's Republic of China
Christer Larsson, Lund, Sweden
Annie Marion-Poll, Versailles, France
Ian M. Møller, Århus, Denmark
Hong Gil Nam, Pohang, Republic of Korea
Per Nissen, Ås, Norway
Melvin J. Oliver, Columbia, MO, USA
James B. Reid, Hobart, TAS, Australia
Renate Scheibe, Osnabrück, Germany
Vladimir Shulaev, Blacksburg, VA, USA
Dominique Van Der Straeten, Gent, Belgium
Björn Sundberg, Umeå, Sweden
Ryohei Terauchi, Iwate, Japan
Thomas C. Vogelmann, Burlington, VT, USA
Peter Westhoff, Düsseldorf, Germany
Jianru Zuo, Beijing, People's Republic of China
i agree, phlog
your woo woo assessment is clearly on the mark
thanks
shall we take a look at these papers that got published.?
perhaps you can bring to bear, your expertise on the methodology utilized and conclusions reached?
i do wish james would weigh in
perhaps even skin would deign to honor us with a visit
/hungry for knowledge
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No shit, they rate their own magazine.
I was unable to find even the abstract for 'Dr' Haslehoff's alleged 'paper'. All formal papers have an abstract. I was also unable to determine where 'Dr' Haselhoff was awarded his PhD.
But please, someone making the claims please put in some effort to support that linked video and it's credibility.
Here's Eltjo summoning the balls of light with his Fahey-esque fingerpicking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO8DzpZjmpo
No abstract here, but you can obtain the article if you're willing to shell out 20 bucks: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120697897/abstract
No abstract here, but you can obtain the article if you're willing to shell out 20 bucks: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120697897/abstract
the missing crop circle scroll...
i am sure we all know by now that our buddy eltjo is incidental and the real targets are levengood and talbott. all in good time tho. i shall devote an entire post documenting their crackpottery
back to eltjo....
well well (thanks parmalee)
the plot unthickens. a doc thesis in submitted to the uni of twente in 93. what is this place?
The three leading universities of technology in the Netherlands - Delft University of Technology, Eindhoven University of Technology and the University of Twente - have joined forces in the 3TU.Federation. This federation maximizes innovation by combining and concentrating the strengths in research, education and knowledge transferb
searching the uni database produces a few papers dated prior to his doc thesis. i see none post 93 so perhaps it is safe to assume he did not graduate? nah. unsubstantiated assumptions are typically the province of woo woos and i prefer to be rigorous in this endeavor (as i am sure all of us here in sci do...isnt that right, phlog?). lets have that dutch tard, enmos, call up the uni and make inquiries
enmos!
git yer ass in here, boy!
a search of scholar yields these results
heh
watch out, eltjo hans haseloff. sci has you in her sights.
hmm, perhaps we can invite him in here to defend his crackpottery, ja?
that outta be good for a laugh, eh guys?
i am sure we all know by now that our buddy eltjo is incidental and the real targets are levengood and talbott. all in good time tho. i shall devote an entire post documenting their crackpottery
back to eltjo....
well well (thanks parmalee)
the plot unthickens. a doc thesis in submitted to the uni of twente in 93. what is this place?
The three leading universities of technology in the Netherlands - Delft University of Technology, Eindhoven University of Technology and the University of Twente - have joined forces in the 3TU.Federation. This federation maximizes innovation by combining and concentrating the strengths in research, education and knowledge transferb
searching the uni database produces a few papers dated prior to his doc thesis. i see none post 93 so perhaps it is safe to assume he did not graduate? nah. unsubstantiated assumptions are typically the province of woo woos and i prefer to be rigorous in this endeavor (as i am sure all of us here in sci do...isnt that right, phlog?). lets have that dutch tard, enmos, call up the uni and make inquiries
enmos!
git yer ass in here, boy!
a search of scholar yields these results
heh
watch out, eltjo hans haseloff. sci has you in her sights.
hmm, perhaps we can invite him in here to defend his crackpottery, ja?
that outta be good for a laugh, eh guys?
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Enmos
Valued Senior Member
I don't know where he is. He apparently worked in Germany and France as well.
He was a director of some company, maybe two.
I'm not going to call the university (by the way, he went to UTwente), they wouldn't tell me anything anyway as it's personal information.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
According to his myspace page (http://www.myspace.com/eltjohaselhoff), Eltjo presently resides in Amsterdam.
I asked him to be my "friend" and am awaiting response. Assuming he obliges, I will invite him to sciforums in order to present his exciting findings in the field of cereology.
This is interesting:
Kimberly McConnell, Eltjo's public relations manager