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Take "criticism" to mean valid and accurate.
No one would ever say that calling blacks savage criminals amounts to criticism.
I'm not surprised you take a dim view of such criticsms. You're something of an apologist, so...
Yazata said:Using that kind of material in an attempt to discredit not only all of Christianity but religion in general, seems like a non-sequitur to me.
Balerion said:To you, sure.
Probably not. But you can hold them up to the light. Rather then trying to ignore it and pretending that dark side doesn't exist.Can one fight bigots and hope to win?
Aside from the best weapon in the arsenal against bigotry = LAUGHTER: can one fight bigotry without fighting bigots?
Is the game really worth the candle?
Probably not. But you can hold them up to the light. Rather then trying to ignore it and pretending that dark side doesn't exist.
This is clearly cribbed from Thomas Aquinas’ little known treatise “On the Nature of God’s Wang.”
“God’s penis is uncaused, beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, and enormously powerful. Run and hide!” – William Lane Craig
Oh did you speak out? I thought you had just cut and paste a bunch of silly quotes made back in the 1980's, most of which never mentioned sodomy, witches, pagans or whores. What is bigoted is when someone who assumes they know what's in the Catholic catechism gets it all wrong. As a matter of fact they are rather exhaustive about individualism and diversity, and unity as well. Nice of you to ask. If I may make an assumption of my own James Watts, Jerry Falwell and your evangelical 'friends' may not have gotten this aspect of Catholic thought. Like many assumptions, mine may very well be wrong too; so I'll just go ahead and make another assumption, those guys probably do know, but just don't care.
I am deeply sorry if you were ever mistreated by people who suppose they are good Christians. I would apologize, I do apologize on their behalf, if that makes you feel any better. I wanted to say, 'but' here, (but) I think I'll quit while I'm ahead.
To any intelligent person. It certainly wouldn't fly in a university critical-thinking, philosophy or religious studies classroom.
You're the one calling me a bigot. I assume that was based on more than me just posting the quotes of Christians. A vague familiarity of what I said about religion in the ensuing posts being a soul killing mentally warping emotionally manipulative system that condemns people for their lifestyles? About religion condemning gay people to hell simply for who they love? That's called speaking out against religion. As for the Catholic Catechism, I've read parts of it. The parts about homosexuals being gravely disordered. The parts about masturbation being a sin. The part about witches and how wicked they are. The part about sex without reproduction being a sin. The part about how after a few magic words from the priest a cracker turns into the actual flesh of Jesus Christ. I had to eventually stop because I was laughing so hard.
In both cases one of the larger logical defects seems to be bad-generalization, a fault that we see repeated all the time on Sciforums.
Some people like to divide the world into conflicting 'sides', they enjoy feeling solidarity with their perceived mates and strenuously battle those that they think of as 'the others'. We see that dynamic illustrated abundantly in partisan politics, which at times can resemble LA street gangs flashing their red and blue colors. It's also extremely common with atheists and theists here on the internet. (This thread kind of looks like gang-graffiti, the atheist side calling out for solidarity and marking its turf.
a soul killing mentally warping emotionally manipulative system that condemns people for their lifestyles
You think I called you a bigot, what I did was suggest you do not act like one. Condemn the sin and not the sinner. That's another one of those Christian principles you've seemed to set yourself against.
As for witches! Are you seriously defending the rights of witches? If you are, now you really do sound like our ignorant Fundamentalist friends who seem to think Harry Potter is real. Witchcraft is a good example of what I mean about this being the twenty-first century and many of the 'concerns' of Leviticus simply don't apply.
Witchcraft is a good example of what I mean about this being the twenty-first century and many of the 'concerns' of Leviticus simply don't apply. IMHO, whether people prefer to sleep with a member of their own sex would be another. So please stop lumping reasonable people who happen to be Christians with the ignorant self-righteous know-nothings who would hate homosexuals even if their holy book said it was super fine.
You were ill advised to begin a hate thread, and all you've done is defend yourself based on personal hurt.
I have offered an apology for that though it is nothing I have done. Maybe we should just let this discussion die the death now.
That's what members of The WBC say; however, their website is still called "God Hates Fags".Condemn the sin and not the sinner.
And like so many Christian principles it's totally bogus. There's no such thing as condemning the sin without condemning the sinner.
You attack someone for having sex outside of marriage, you attack them for being a fornicator. You attack a gay person for "gay behavior". You attack them as homosexuals. You attack someone for worshipping idols. You attack them for being idolaters.
Your religion has had centuries to hone and sharpen the fine art of condemning and guilt-tripping. And it continues to brainwash kids to this day with a cartoonish mythology of sinfulness and damnation that leaves its scars even long after those kids are grown and thoroughly secularized.
Hey..it's your religion that concocted the concept of the evil witch.
When people write things that strike me as stupid, I'll typically try not to denounce the writer by calling him/her stupid. Instead, I'll try (not always successfully) to dispassionately criticize what they wrote.
Has Arne done any of that? Or has the reference of the word 'you' kind of drifted away from Arne, towards targeting your own personal vision of the horror that Christianity is
I think that the idea of witchcraft was around long before Christianity. (My guess is that it dates back to prehistoric times.) Today, it's probably most prevalent in sub-Saharan Africa, where it has traditional non-Christian origins. Christian churches are often at the forefront of combating the abuses associated with it.
You were ill advised to begin a hate thread, and all you've done is defend yourself based on personal hurt. I have offered an apology for that though it is nothing I have done. Maybe we should just let this discussion die the death now.
You must be looking into a mirror. The only hate I see comes from you. If this thread dies or does not get back on topic, I will start a new 1. You cannot shut people up just because you cannot handle the truth.
Most of the Christians that I know don't experience Christianity as condemnation and guilt-tripping. They think of sin as being more or less synonymous with the ideas of right and wrong. The idea that everyone is a sinner isn't really much different than the idea that nobody, no matter how good they think they are, ever totally avoids doing anything wrong. And having said that, isn't one of the fundamental ideas of Christianity the idea of divine forgiveness?