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Quantum Quack said:
Like all things, it is in the balance of socialism and capitalism that makes the difference... Australia enjoys a relatively good mix of social-istic capitalism.
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Agreed

Canada is much the same , Humane . In words .

I just wish it would do better .
 
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This virus pushes , has pushed , truth to the fore front .

No panic by the common person , towards the truth of this pandemic .
 
Seattle every country has wisdom to give through their own experiences , its okay to take the best ideas and bring them together .

Any evolving Country would .
 
Seattle said:
Maybe I'm doing well, not crazy and am not obsessed with other countries' affairs?
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That's nice... good for you..so don't complain when someone calls out your delusions of grandeur...and the arrogance that goes with it...after all they are only doing what good friends need to do to prevent you going crazy...
 
Quantum Quack said:
That's nice... good for you..so don't complain when someone calls out your delusions of grandeur...and the arrogance that goes with it...after all they are only doing what good friends need to do to prevent you going crazy...
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If I had delusions of grandeur that would be acceptable. If, instead, they have obsessions with calamity, it may be too late for me to prevent them from going crazy.

That's not to say that you are crazy. You post about many different rational subjects, right?
 
iceaura said:
So "jobs" and "opportunities" to "excel / succeed" are now equivalent? Hmmm.
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Not at all. New technology provides opportunities; these turn into jobs. Many people who get those jobs have an opportunity to succeed and excel.

Without the technology (which could be CDMA, or a new business model, or a reusable rocket, or a new service) no opportunities.
The jobs that "depend on" Qualcomm technology don't count in this list, of course.
Neither do the jobs that "support" Apple.
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Those jobs would not be there without those companies.
Cellphone retailers, for example, retail mostly phones made elsewhere - not the US.
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They would not be selling data plans without CDMA. And those phones contain Qualcomm IC's.
Essentially none of those jobs depend on the ostensible location of those two companies, or their "American" identity.
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Are you really arguing that since all those jobs COULD be moved, they are not really American jobs?

You are doing the FOX News thing again.
 
Quantum Quack said:
The ongoing capitalist slave trade is the only opportunity most Americans will see.
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These sort of arguments are so much fun.

- Oh, so you support the capitalist slave trade?
- Better than the socialists where everyone is a slave full time!
- Capitalism murders people for money.
- Well, socialism murders people for the good of the collective!

I'll let you knock yourself out.
 
billvon said:
These sort of arguments are so much fun.

- Oh, so you support the capitalist slave trade?
- Better than the socialists where everyone is a slave full time!
- Capitalism murders people for money.
- Well, socialism murders people for the good of the collective!

I'll let you knock yourself out.
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it is really not that hard... nor so conflated..

Label the following capitalist systems:
  • Priority Individual over collective.
  • Priority Collective over individual.
 
Quantum Quack said:
it is really not that hard... nor so conflated..

Label the following capitalist systems:
  • Priority Individual over collective.
  • Priority Collective over individual.
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The U.S. could be labeled "priority individual over collective". This gives the greatest potential opportunity with the greatest risk. That's not what you prefer but that isn't what was being argued.

You prefer "priority collective over individual" which is fine and good but that doesn't result in the greatest potential opportunity.

It might result is more potential for the greatest numbers at the cost of less overall absolute opportunity but "you guys' deny that. Just admit that is what this discussion is about, your preferences.

No one has argued about your right to your preferences. There is no argument that you can keep more of what you earn here in the U.S. and the upside is greater. If you start a company here, for instance, you have the potential opportunity for great riches because the government takes a much small slice. You also have the potential to lose it all.

If someone's choices in life are to work at McDonald's in the U.S. or to have an average job in Australia, I'd say they are better off in Australia but that isn't what was being discussed.
 
Seattle said:
The U.S. could be labeled "priority individual over collective". This gives the greatest potential opportunity with the greatest risk. That's not what you prefer but that isn't what was being argued.
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yes true it isn't what is being argued. billvon went off about socialism and I have offered how a capitalist system can still be capitalist, and prioritize the collective well being over the individual well being. Philosophically it means that if the collective is healthy then so to is the individual. Both are capitalistic systems, it is just that one of them is better for the individual over all and that is the collective priority one...
So I am not sure what you are arguing... but it certainly isn't to do with personal preferences.
If the USA wasn't so individual focused and concentrated on collective well being more you probably wouldn't be in the COVID shit storm you are in now.
It doesn't mean that opportunity is less it means that it is more equally distributed as it should be.

As an individual pushes his opportunity with little regard to the collective he must inevitably degrade that collective. Thus minimizing opportunity for others.
 
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Seattle said:
The U.S. could be labeled "priority individual over collective". This gives the greatest potential opportunity with the greatest risk. That's not what you prefer but that isn't what was being argued.

You prefer "priority collective over individual" which is fine and good but that doesn't result in the greatest potential opportunity.

It might result is more potential for the greatest numbers at the cost of less overall absolute opportunity but "you guys' deny that. Just admit that is what this discussion is about, your preferences.

No one has argued about your right to your preferences. There is no argument that you can keep more of what you earn here in the U.S. and the upside is greater. If you start a company here, for instance, you have the potential opportunity for great riches because the government takes a much small slice. You also have the potential to lose it all.

If someone's choices in life are to work at McDonald's in the U.S. or to have an average job in Australia, I'd say they are better off in Australia but that isn't what was being discussed.
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Have you had any exposure to the Rotary organization?
 
So this thread is now about politics, apparently. Well, I suppose it gives us a break from the thread title...:rolleyes:
 
Quantum Quack said:
yes true it isn't what is being argued. billvon went off about socialism and I have offered how a capitalist system can still be capitalist, and prioritize the collective well being over the individual well being. Philosophically it means that if the collective is healthy then so to is the individual. Both are capitalistic systems, it is just that one of them is better for the individual over all and that is the collective priority one...
So I am not sure what you are arguing... but it certainly isn't to do with personal preferences.
If the USA wasn't so individual focused and concentrated on collective well being more you probably wouldn't be in the COVID shit storm you are in now.
It doesn't mean that opportunity is less it means that it is more equally distributed as it should be.

As an individual pushes his opportunity with little regard to the collective he must inevitably degrade that collective. Thus minimizing opportunity for others.
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Collective implies less opportunity. Equally distributed implies less individual opportunity. If everyone makes the same, there is no opportunity to do otherwise.
 
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