Congratulations America - you got the president you deserve

TheVat said:
As a former member of a Trump legal team in the 2019 impeachment, she has a gross conflict of interest serving at the DOJ, an agency that is supposed to be in its actions independent of the White House. At least, that has been the prosecutorial norm that evolved over two centuries, even if DOJ Independence is not explicitly mandated in our Constitution. So, she is only reasonable when compared to Humbert Humbert.
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Trump doesn't care for "norms", nor barely for what is written in the Constitution. Any loophole, he'll take it. If not doing a "norm" benefits him, he'll not do it. (Even Jon Stewart has railed against the Dems for either not realising this or not doing similar, putting them at a permanent disadvantage.) Project 2025 authors have argued that they want the DOJ, and all other Federal bureaucracy, to be brought under direct Presidential control, thereby eliminating any impartiality.
So bringing in loyalists is in line with this. People that will (try to) ensure the DOJ acts as the President wants them to, not as ethics or fairness might suggest. If Trump wants someone prosecuted for a personal sleight against him, rest assured the new DOJ will do just that. And they will (try to) put in place judges that will toe the line and find the person guilty. Appeals Courts can will only be able to do so much, but ultimately it will be for naught as the Supreme Court will have a definite right-wing bias for decades to come. Just pray that none of the 3 liberals need to be replaced over the next 4 years as well!
 
Trek said:
bet you still don’t know the real underlying reason why the citizens of the US overwhelmingly voted for the Donald.
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www.thenation.com

Donald Trump Has NOT Won a Majority of the Votes Cast for President

Donald Trump’s popular vote total has fallen below 50 percent, and his margin over Kamala Harris has narrowed considerably as all the votes are counted.
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Over the weekend, as California, Oregon, Washington, and other Western states moved closer to completing their counts, Trump’s percentage of the popular vote fell below 50 percent. And his margin of victory looks to be much smaller than initially anticipated. In fact, of all the 59 presidential elections since the nation’s founding, it appears that—after all of the 2024 votes are counted—only five popular vote winners in history will have prevailed by smaller percentage margins than Trump.
 
Sarkus said:
Trump doesn't care for "norms", nor barely for what is written in the Constitution. Any loophole, he'll take it. If not doing a "norm" benefits him, he'll not do it. (Even Jon Stewart has railed against the Dems for either not realising this or not doing similar, putting them at a permanent disadvantage.) Project 2025 authors have argued that they want the DOJ, and all other Federal bureaucracy, to be brought under direct Presidential control, thereby eliminating any impartiality.
So bringing in loyalists is in line with this. People that will (try to) ensure the DOJ acts as the President wants them to, not as ethics or fairness might suggest. If Trump wants someone prosecuted for a personal sleight against him, rest assured the new DOJ will do just that. And they will (try to) put in place judges that will toe the line and find the person guilty. Appeals Courts can will only be able to do so much, but ultimately it will be for naught as the Supreme Court will have a definite right-wing bias for decades to come. Just pray that none of the 3 liberals need to be replaced over the next 4 years as well!
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The problem is the President who is elected and not the system. The DOJ is a part of the executive branch and the President is in charge. Either hold the President accountable or don't elect that President. The Supreme Court make-up is unfortunate but again it's what the Republicans were able to get through.

Indirectly it's what the people have chosen, like Brexit.
 
Sarkus said:
From what I've read I don't think it's going to be a subsidiary but rather an associated company, one that is initially owned by the same shareholders but has no shared corporate parentage. It will also be a publicly traded company, so shareholders will be able to sell shares in one and retain shares in the other etc. Comcast may look to retain a shareholding, though, but that might defeat the object of what they're trying to do. I may be wrong, though, but that's my understanding.

As for Trump trying to bankrupt them with lawfare, and Bannon has certainly advised them to "lawyer up", it's a touch late if the suits relate to what has already been broadcast, as they'll simply add Comcast to the suit. And since they were part of Comcast at the time, Comcast would be liable for any penalties, should there be any.
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Hmm, so a lot may depend on whether Trump wants to seek retribution for past slights, or just cow them into compliance henceforth.

Either way, a nice little insight into Trek’s idea of “free speech”. :biggrin:
 
Seattle said:
The problem is the President who is elected and not the system. The DOJ is a part of the executive branch and the President is in charge. Either hold the President accountable or don't elect that President. The Supreme Court make-up is unfortunate but again it's what the Republicans were able to get through.

Indirectly it's what the people have chosen, like Brexit.
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I'm not saying the system is wrong. It's not as I would have it, but it is what it is. I mean, if the US wanted a strictly independent DOJ it would have a Constitution that assured it. My point is that Trump will do whatever he can get away with, even if it trashes decades of "norms". If anything, a Trump term could help highlight many of the loopholes that the Legislative branch think should be closed. E.g. if the Democrats ever get a large enough majority, they could pass an Amendment that states the President has no immunity for acts during their term, that makes the DOJ responsible to the Legislative branch rather than the Executive (i.e. independent of the President) etc.
Trump will, if nothing else, push the Constitution to the limit, and highlight some of its weaknesses, at least while there is a far-right Supreme Court in session (which in itself could possibly be considered a weakness that needs addressing somehow).
Will be an interesting 4 years for you lot, if nothing else. ;)
 
exchemist said:
Hmm, so a lot may depend on whether Trump wants to seek retribution for past slights, or just cow them into compliance henceforth.

Either way, a nice little insight into Trek’s idea of “free speech”. :biggrin:
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I don't think the Comcast spinoff has anything to do with Trump. The cable channels weren't the profitable part of Comcast (Disney/Universal). By spinning it off it's not a drag on Comcast. It can improve as a spinoff or it can not but it won't be a drag on Comcast.
 
Sarkus said:
I'm not saying the system is wrong. It's not as I would have it, but it is what it is. I mean, if the US wanted a strictly independent DOJ it would have a Constitution that assured it. My point is that Trump will do whatever he can get away with, even if it trashes decades of "norms". If anything, a Trump term could help highlight many of the loopholes that the Legislative branch think should be closed. E.g. if the Democrats ever get a large enough majority, they could pass an Amendment that states the President has no immunity for acts during their term, that makes the DOJ responsible to the Legislative branch rather than the Executive (i.e. independent of the President) etc.
Trump will, if nothing else, push the Constitution to the limit, and highlight some of its weaknesses, at least while there is a far-right Supreme Court in session (which in itself could possibly be considered a weakness that needs addressing somehow).
Will be an interesting 4 years for you lot, if nothing else. ;)
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I agree with all that. Trump may fix some things that needed fixing (directly) and due to his abuses, things may be fixed indirectly after he is gone. That's how the bull in the China shop works.:)
 
Seattle said:
I agree with all that. Trump may fix some things that needed fixing (directly) and due to his abuses, things may be fixed indirectly after he is gone. That's how the bull in the China shop works.:)
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IF the shop doesn't go bust as a result of the damage!! ;)
 
Seattle said:
I don't think the Comcast spinoff has anything to do with Trump. The cable channels weren't the profitable part of Comcast (Disney/Universal). By spinning it off it's not a drag on Comcast. It can improve as a spinoff or it can not but it won't be a drag on Comcast.
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Yeah, but this is a thread about Trump, so everything raised has to have a Trump spin put on it!! ;)
I'm sure you're right, though. The timing raises some suspicion, but coincidences are sometimes just that.
 
Sarkus said:
Yeah, but this is a thread about Trump, so everything raised has to have a Trump spin put on it!! ;)
I'm sure you're right, though. The timing raises some suspicion, but coincidences are sometimes just that.
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Personally I'd like a see a news commentary channel that had a bit of nuance to it. There is none of that on Fox of course but there really isn't any on MSNBC either. There is no host on any of their programs that has a view on anything that varies in the least from any other host.

At the end of the day that's just boring and it gives off a very inauthentic vibe, IMO.

Then there is Lawrence O'Donnell who starts off every show with something like (speaking slowly) "This...is... the worst... day...in Donald Trump's life...":)

If Biden want's to "Build Back Better", Nicolle Wallace thinks it's a great idea as does Joy Reed, as does Ari Melber, as does Rachel Maddow, as does Alex Wagner, etc. None of them has an issue with any part of it and it's the same with every other subject.

The best show, in that regard, was a long time ago before everything was all drama, all the time, and that was "The Beltway Boys". It basically had a liberal, a centrist and a conservative but at any one time they might all agree, all disagree or something in between.

Which is pretty much the way it is, in real life, between reasonable people.
 
Seattle said:
Personally I'd like a see a news commentary channel that had a bit of nuance to it. There is none of that on Fox of course but there really isn't any on MSNBC either. There is no host on any of their programs that has a view on anything that varies in the least from any other host.
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You're missing out on Jessica Tarlov on Fox. She's the lone Democrat in a sea of MAGA mouth-pieces. How she keeps her cool is quite something.
 
Trek said:
You calling me a troll in a thread where people regard every person who voted for Trump, brain dead, and stupid, is rich.
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There were a wide variety of reasons people voted for Trump.

Low academic achievement is certainly one. When you look at averages, far more high school dropouts voted for Trump; far more college graduates voted for Harris. This is understandable both due to Trump's stated love of the uneducated and the fact that someone who has studied history is unlikely to vote for a mendacious populist.

Does that mean they are stupid? In general, the lower the educational level, the lower the IQ - so there is some truth to that. But since it's nearly impossible to get voter's IQs and compare them to how they vote, there's no direct evidence of that.

Another big reason is misinformation. Trump is VERY good at the Big Lie, and got people to believe all sorts of things, from "the oil industry is dying under Biden" to "the economy sucks" to "immigrants are driving a crime wave" to "Haitian immigrants are eating people's pets." Again, someone who is prone to believing misinformation is typically less intelligent, since less intelligent people have fewer ways they can verify if information is true or not.

A third reason is that some people simply identify with him. A great many men in the US have been convicted of, accused of, or suspected of sexual assault; keep in mind that more than half of US women have been sexually assaulted. Now here comes Trump, a guy who literally got away with rape. Sure, he was found liable for sexual assault, but that's just a fine, and Trump never pays anyone what he owes them, so he effectively got away with it. And some men wish they could do that, and so idolize him.

A fourth reason is that many people idolize Hollywood stars, and Trump was a TV star for ten years, with his own show. Again there is a weak correlation between how much time people spend watching TV and low intelligence, but again there's no direct comparison.

So certainly not everyone who voted for Trump is stupid. But the trend is certainly that they are less intelligent.
 
parmalee said:
In fact, his administration is now comprised of several rapists and serial sexual assailants. Honestly, I don't fully understand why Gaetz dropped out--they've got no problem with rapists, so why would a pedophile be an issue?
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Indeed, he would be among allies in the Trump administration. Remember when Trump said this about Jeffery Epstein? "I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side!"
 
billvon said:
There were a wide variety of reasons people voted for Trump.

Low academic achievement is certainly one. When you look at averages, far more high school dropouts voted for Trump; far more college graduates voted for Harris. This is understandable both due to Trump's stated love of the uneducated and the fact that someone who has studied history is unlikely to vote for a mendacious populist.

Does that mean they are stupid? In general, the lower the educational level, the lower the IQ - so there is some truth to that. But since it's nearly impossible to get voter's IQs and compare them to how they vote, there's no direct evidence of that.

Another big reason is misinformation. Trump is VERY good at the Big Lie, and got people to believe all sorts of things, from "the oil industry is dying under Biden" to "the economy sucks" to "immigrants are driving a crime wave" to "Haitian immigrants are eating people's pets." Again, someone who is prone to believing misinformation is typically less intelligent, since less intelligent people have fewer ways they can verify if information is true or not.

A third reason is that some people simply identify with him. A great many men in the US have been convicted of, accused of, or suspected of sexual assault; keep in mind that more than half of US women have been sexually assaulted. Now here comes Trump, a guy who literally got away with rape. Sure, he was found liable for sexual assault, but that's just a fine, and Trump never pays anyone what he owes them, so he effectively got away with it. And some men wish they could do that, and so idolize him.

A fourth reason is that many people idolize Hollywood stars, and Trump was a TV star for ten years, with his own show. Again there is a weak correlation between how much time people spend watching TV and low intelligence, but again there's no direct comparison.

So certainly not everyone who voted for Trump is stupid. But the trend is certainly that they are less intelligent.
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Hahaha...
 
Seattle said:
I don't think the Comcast spinoff has anything to do with Trump. The cable channels weren't the profitable part of Comcast (Disney/Universal). By spinning it off it's not a drag on Comcast. It can improve as a spinoff or it can not but it won't be a drag on Comcast.
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Every article I read shows this is due to Trump and what he's promised to do to the media, especially MSNBC, which he really hates. They call it a sale because the spun off cables will need partners to keep operating.
 
Seattle said:
I agree with all that. Trump may fix some things that needed fixing (directly) and due to his abuses, things may be fixed indirectly after he is gone. That's how the bull in the China shop works.:)
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I'm not sure Trump has an inclination to fix anything other than his indictments. He said it over and over and over, he is here to do retribution and revenge, while at the same time filling his pockets. He is a criminal, convicted felon, rapist, sexual predator... the list of crimes goes on and on. It's like saying we should hand over the keys of America to Al Capone. Nothing good came from his previous time as president, but that was just a trial run. Everything he plans to do will hurt or kill a lot of people and he will fix nothing, directly or indirectly.
 
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