Crunchy Cat said:
I understand the notion of the environemnt influencing the content of the experience. I also understand that in the experiment in question two people are in two seperate rooms and one person is doing *something* that yields an ~80% accuracy (apparently, this percentage of success is very hard to achieve... heroic even). I would like to know more about the details of that *something*... this is very important piece of your position and it does require some explicit description.
The doing of something is what I call a form of
empressing. Where by I enter the other persons conscousness and place and image or sound for them to recognise.
In our testing it involves a number of props, such two decks of common playing cards, a random number generator, a selection of 200 pictures also selected by a random number generator. Sounds that have meaning and sounds that don't. For instance empressing a song or musical piece. [ the melody or rhythm.]
These are all systematical assessed and probability analysed and recorded.
The probabily success is deducted from the total pool of results. So the figure of 80% is based on results that exclude those results that have a probability of occuring any way. The exersise is deliberately set up to be strenuous and rigorous. The object not being to get stats on the board but to learn how to get past all the obstacles to doing it properly and comfortably.
The biggest reason for failure is an issue of courtecy. When you enter a persons mind you are violating that persons inner space. The natural reaction for that person is to reject that violition, in fact anger and defensive behaviour normally results.
The person involved [ in this case my partner ] has to learn to identify the empression as being from a friend and not a foe, she has to drop her defenses to recieve the information. Free will and self determination are a big feature. Also experiencing the empression is decidedly scarey. Fear laden.
Essentially it is doing to your own partner something a schizophrenic person is experiencing in the way of voices. The person internal mirror sees the empression and must see it it as foriegn or externally derived. This automatically pulls the adrenal system into the picture and the connection is reflexively shut down.
From my perspective I sense my empression [within her] and I also sense her reaction to it. A great need for respect of her freewill is needed.
So in the main it teeters from success to failure depending on the way I project that empression and the frustrations and fears that I feel and the way she reacts to my efforts.
Something that persons delving into this realm fail to understand is that free will is such a sensitive issue. It is possible to compell a person but that person will react as you would expect. Thus it is not sustainable to force anything into the mind of someone else nor is it ethical or morally acceptable to do so. [ it is however a great temptation and self restraint is always an issue]
Blackwinded for example mentions empressing a driver of another car. She also mentions the end result of that exchange. Not at all pleasant. For her or the other driver.
Often, when people walk/drive by me...say for example if someone is tailgating me on the highway: it makes me angry and nervous and i will then try and force my thoughts into the tailgater's head: telling them to get off my @$$ and leave me alone. Then, when the idiot finally realizes he can just pass me in the left lane and comes driving by me, i will feel him putting his evil thoughts into my mind: saying things like, "hahaha Sucker!", or "you are doomed"
If you read the above and realise that the reason Blackwinded got angry inthe first place was that she was experienceing some one elses subconscious desire to influence her, which provoked her angry retaliation. adn then the further angry retaliation by the other driver...a cycle of war has been established.
This issue is at the very heart of why Schizophrenia is so devastating. Cohersion, undue influence, a feeling that you are being possessed or an attempt is being made to possess...etc etc. causing reflective and compulsive behaviuour that only reinforces the problem. Subconscious to "normals" but conscious to the schizophrenic.
There is an ethical issue for all persons dabling in this area. And I tend to believe it is the most important aspect of why telepathy is restricted to the realm of pseudo reality. Most people have spent their entire lives achieving self determination
and freewill is such a sensitive issue. They will react to attempts to over ride their freewills self expression and most of the time that reaction is very negative.
A schizophrenic often will site evidence by quoting experiences of other persons reactions to their rampant projections,
however this isn't a clue to success but actually a clue to the failure of what naturally occurs at a subconscious level between persons all the time any way.
Any way , Crunchy Cat what sort of proof exercise would allow if successfully completed , you to be satified about the reality of "empressing"?
What test would you like to see successfully completed that would nullify you skepticism?
Maybe you could lay it out and I will incorporate it into our learning methods.
[Given that this is a wife/ husband partnership involved]
