Common misconceptions about Islam
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Fraggle Rocker
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You deliberately misread my post. That is intellectual dishonesty, a violation of the website rules.
My point was that it doesn't matter what your book tells you to do. All that matters is what you do. Christians, Jews and Muslims have been treating each other--and even those within their own religion who disagree with them about the minutiae-- with disrespect, intolerance, hostility, and deadly violence for hundreds of years.
This is not a misconception. This is an observation.
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there's a difference of what's in the quran, and what was going on in many parts in history, in tolerance between christians and muslims both in the muslim world and in the christian world, starting from the first days of islam in the arabia when muslims who were obsessed found peace and protection with a christian king of a city, forgot it's name, and of what's going on today and what happened in many chapters in history
so this thread is about, the misconceptions about islam, not about muslims or, history, or so on, all kinds of events happened during history, including how the maghreb countries and other arab countries gave the shelter to jews who runned from the holocusts, tunisian jews themselves say that, (not only in tunisia anyway..), also that big tolerance when a priest was murdered in tunisia, muslims went to the church to put flowers to him, (anyway the crime was planned, besides a protestations of hate words infront of a synagog, and bulldozing a histrical mosque, 400 years old mosque, anyway long story, a conspirecie wich never worked and failed hardly)..exemples also, are aloot
anyway, what rules did i break? LOL :bugeye:
there's a difference of what's in the quran, and what was going on in many parts in history, in tolerance between christians and muslims both in the muslim world and in the christian world, starting from the first days of islam in the arabia when muslims who were obsessed found peace and protection with a christian king of a city, forgot it's name, and of what's going on today and what happened in many chapters in history
so this thread is about, the misconceptions about islam, not about muslims or, history, or so on, all kinds of events happened during history, including how the maghreb countries and other arab countries gave the shelter to jews who runned from the holocusts, tunisian jews themselves say that, (not only in tunisia anyway..), also that big tolerance when a priest was murdered in tunisia, muslims went to the church to put flowers to him, (anyway the crime was planned, besides a protestations of hate words infront of a synagog, and bulldozing a histrical mosque, 400 years old mosque, anyway long story, a conspirecie wich never worked and failed hardly)..exemples also, are aloot
anyway, what rules did i break? LOL :bugeye:
Fraggle Rocker
Staff member
You've explained yourself so I apologize for the accusation. But in the future, to avoid misunderstanding, please don't completely ignore the main point of a post when you respond to it. It could be interpreted as intellectual dishonesty. We're having a lot of trouble with that these days and someone could overreact.
Well of course. Enabling the formation of powerful in-groups that can direct violence and competition against outsiders is the entire point of hierarchical religions (i.e., the ones associated with societies that have attained the state level of organization or higher).
Doesn't make sense - the violence is the "good." They've managed to built and maintain large, powerful civilizations in the face of determined competition - by means of organized violence, and the demonstrated capacity for such. The violence isn't some drawback that cancels out the upside - it is simply the other side of the coin, the means by which the upside is brought about.
If there's some problem with "good" there, it's the silly supposition that you can maintain large states without employing systematic violence.
Really! Just so cut and dried is it? So, is there no other way to maintain large states other than systematic violence?
When Shadow is married..............
Shadow: Sorry wife, you have had two warnings. I hate to do it, but I must beat you.
Mrs Shadow: Oh, I suppose you are going to get your pen out.
Shadow: Yes, here is my pen. Prepare yourself.
(beats with pen)
Mrs Shadow: (laughing) Oh, that really hurts.
Shadow: Yes. Behave better next time.
You got any examples of large states that have been erected and maintained without such?
Last I checked, the defining feature of a state is "monopoly on violence." It's also important that such a monopoly be legitimated - an area in which religion plays an important role.
It works better, for that role, if it eschews violence of its own - just as the state is more solidly legitimized by a religion of peace.quadra said:
Part of their complementary role playing would likely be visible and much emphasized curbs on each other's behavior.
One hand washes the other - a large, organized, powerful, and peaceful religion is entirely possible, if the behavior of its State is reliably and competently supportive.
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USA? (oil, military manufacturing, banking, use the poor countries to keep their economy working good (not just usa effcorse) etc...)
USA? (oil, military manufacturing, banking, use the poor countries to keep their economy working good (not just usa effcorse) etc...)
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you have two warnings? and i hate to do it?whuut? LOL
and what? beating??
not like, somehow, those are, laws or something that if i didnt do i will be, somehow, be in hell? LOL
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you have two warnings? and i hate to do it?whuut? LOL
and what? beating??
not like, somehow, those are, laws or something that if i didnt do i will be, somehow, be in hell? LOL
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weird, that when talking about civilisations, and you talk about the arab expanding, you say it's terrorism, and violence, and islam, and blablabla, and if it is about mangolia, or rome, or something, it's so impressive, waow
i mean, what??
and weird, you still don't get the difference, between, the relegion of islam, and some muslim acts, or muslim leaders and kings around the history when is about conquesting, and etc... why i don't say that christanity told "christians" to make world war I and II, and to kill thousands if not millions of red indians, and etc.... etc.... i see, so, christanity"told" them to do that? or is it in the bible? :shrug:
i mean, what??
and weird, you still don't get the difference, between, the relegion of islam, and some muslim acts, or muslim leaders and kings around the history when is about conquesting, and etc... why i don't say that christanity told "christians" to make world war I and II, and to kill thousands if not millions of red indians, and etc.... etc....
i see, so, christanity"told" them to do that? or is it in the bible? :shrug:
Which no one seriously doubts in the slightest was accomplished largely by war, just to remind you.
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war was done by each civilisation on earth, and by each civilisation that became larger and larger, rome for example too, mangolian dinasty, chinese dinasty, arab dinasty, it's history we all know, but this thread is about the misconceptions, not like, the bible told christians go invade that, and go kill millions of people, in world wars, and make ethical cleaning in america, or like quran told arabs to conquest and expand and etc...
war was done by each civilisation on earth, and by each civilisation that became larger and larger, rome for example too, mangolian dinasty, chinese dinasty, arab dinasty, it's history we all know, but this thread is about the misconceptions, not like, the bible told christians go invade that, and go kill millions of people, in world wars, and make ethical cleaning in america, or like quran told arabs to conquest and expand and etc...
why i don't say that christanity told "christians" to make world war I and II, and to kill thousands if not millions of red indians, and etc.... etc....
Indeed, why don't you say that? Well, maybe the World Wars aren't such a great example (mostly Christian-on-Christian, those), but the other stuff? Sure.
Is your complaint that your targets are wrong on the issue, or just that they're hypocrits for failing to apply comparable scrutiny to their own religions?
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what, other "stuff"? you mean, killing "non-christians"? i didnt know that red indians were christians :bugeye:
i didnt know that japanese were christians too in that time
and etc...
no i'm not about the hypocrits for failing to compare their relegions too or whatever, i'm talking about, wether it's christanity or islam, or any other relegion of a certin civilisation, it's not that relegion that told them, expand, conquer, and etc... there's a difference between that relegion's teachings, and as for islam, the quran, and the history of the civilisaion, all civilisations had wars and maked wars and conquered in order to expand, and become greater, and even to survive
what, other "stuff"? you mean, killing "non-christians"? i didnt know that red indians were christians :bugeye:
i didnt know that japanese were christians too in that time
and etc...
no i'm not about the hypocrits for failing to compare their relegions too or whatever, i'm talking about, wether it's christanity or islam, or any other relegion of a certin civilisation, it's not that relegion that told them, expand, conquer, and etc... there's a difference between that relegion's teachings, and as for islam, the quran, and the history of the civilisaion, all civilisations had wars and maked wars and conquered in order to expand, and become greater, and even to survive
what, other "stuff"? you mean, killing "non-christians"? i didnt know that red indians were christians :bugeye:
i didnt know that japanese were christians too in that time
and etc...
Reading comprehension fail.
In what sense? The religions in question are integral parts of the civilizations in question - the killings and such could never have happened with the religions, and specifically the religious sanction for such. You can stand here and say that they were doing it wrong, but so what? That's not what the religious authorities said at the time, not what the masses of believers understood to be correct.
Not that I'm seeing any particular lack of clear Islamic teachings on those subjects in the first place.
Fraggle Rocker
Staff member
Half of WWII was Japan attacking China and other nations in the vicinity. IIRC, the only population involved that had a significant Christian community was the Filipinos.